Re: gratuitous inclusion of oracle in 7.0.2-RC2

2015-02-06 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Feb 4, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > Can you give us some estimates (or actual numbers) for: >> - Number of objects >> > > Lots. > > Lots and lots and lots. > > :) > > I don't even know how to guess. > > Looks like generally 60-200 per page on the main entry stack of 12 cards, >

Re: gratuitous inclusion of oracle in 7.0.2-RC2

2015-02-05 Thread Bob Sneidar
Ya once I heard about the splashStack method and all the problems it solves, it’s the only way I will build an app now. Bob S On Feb 4, 2015, at 22:25 , J. Landman Gay mailto:jac...@hyperactivesw.com>> wrote: On 2/4/2015 11:54 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 5:00 PM, J. Landman

Re: gratuitous inclusion of oracle in 7.0.2-RC2

2015-02-05 Thread Richard Gaskin
J. Landman Gay wrote: > The project I've been on lately has hundreds of stacks and thousands > of support files with gigabytes of data, they're just not all in > the main app. It's easier that way. The app itself takes under 15 > seconds to compile. That's a good strategy for many reasons, but I

Re: gratuitous inclusion of oracle in 7.0.2-RC2

2015-02-04 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 2/4/2015 11:54 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 5:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I've never built an app that large, for something like that I usually use the splash method so that I can have modules. Oh, and you're not selling to lawyers :) True, but I'm not sure that affec

Re: gratuitous inclusion of oracle in 7.0.2-RC2

2015-02-04 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 5:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > I've never built an app that large, for something like that I usually use > the splash method so that I can have modules. > Oh, and you're not selling to lawyers :) Once the program is established, changes will actually happen more in the

Re: gratuitous inclusion of oracle in 7.0.2-RC2

2015-02-04 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 5:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > I'm still thinking the slowdown is due to having "search for required > inclusions" selected in the standalone settings. The search would have to > scan and parse at least 30,000+ lines just given the specs that were > listed. Richard (the H

Re: gratuitous inclusion of oracle in 7.0.2-RC2

2015-02-04 Thread Richard Gaskin
J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/4/2015 6:12 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> That doesn't seem big enough to need 15 minutes to scan the objects. >> >> Anyone else seen anything like this? > > I've never built an app that large, for something like that I usually > use the splash method so that I can ha

Re: gratuitous inclusion of oracle in 7.0.2-RC2

2015-02-04 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 2/4/2015 6:12 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: That doesn't seem big enough to need 15 minutes to scan the objects. Anyone else seen anything like this? I've never built an app that large, for something like that I usually use the splash method so that I can have modules. I'm still thinking th

Re: gratuitous inclusion of oracle in 7.0.2-RC2

2015-02-04 Thread Peter Bogdanoff
I have a project where there was a main stack with some subs stacks, and the whole size was 100 MB. Probably 4000 cards + 200 images. It was taken maybe 15+ minutes to build. I took out the large sub stacks and keep them separate in a data folder. Now it takes seconds to build a launcher stack t

Re: gratuitous inclusion of oracle in 7.0.2-RC2

2015-02-04 Thread Richard Gaskin
That doesn't seem big enough to need 15 minutes to scan the objects. Anyone else seen anything like this? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa.

Re: gratuitous inclusion of oracle in 7.0.2-RC2

2015-02-04 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > I just saw livecode take 15 minutes building a standalone (quadcore > > i5,16gb)... > > That's a very long time. > > indeed :) I think it was something like 3-5 min with 5.5, but it probably wasn't even that long Can you give us some e

Re: gratuitous inclusion of oracle in 7.0.2-RC2

2015-02-04 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote: > I just saw livecode take 15 minutes building a standalone (quadcore > i5,16gb)... That's a very long time. Can you give us some estimates (or actual numbers) for: - Number of objects - Number of lines of code - Total stack file size -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems

Re: gratuitous inclusion of oracle in 7.0.2-RC2

2015-02-03 Thread J. Landman Gay
Do you have "search for inclusions" in standalone settings set? If so, it has to read every script and look at every object. It's the default. Choose the option to specify inclusions manually. On February 3, 2015 9:25:56 PM CST, "Dr. Hawkins" wrote: >On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Dr. Hawki

Re: gratuitous inclusion of oracle in 7.0.2-RC2

2015-02-03 Thread Jeff Brindle
I have created a distribution standalone under 7.0.2 RC 2 and besides it not creating a 64 bit binary experienced no other issues. Seemed just as fast as normal. Cheers, Jeff > On 4 Feb 2015, at 2:25 pm, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: >> >> Asid

Re: gratuitous inclusion of oracle in 7.0.2-RC2

2015-02-03 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > Aside from the fact that that should be findable, should this take this > long? OK, 15 minutes seems to be how long it takes *without* errors, too. I feel like I fell into the 1980s . . . -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___