Re: blockchain

2016-08-24 Thread Mike Kerner
And there goes the ACH settlement process and the cut that central banks take from currency swaps. Welcome to a new era. On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Dan Brown wrote: > Four major world banks ( UBS, Deutsche Bank, Santander, and BNY Mellon > ) are set to announce the creation of a new block

Re: blockchain

2016-08-24 Thread Dan Brown
Four major world banks ( UBS, Deutsche Bank, Santander, and BNY Mellon ) are set to announce the creation of a new blockchain-based digital currency, and are hoping to make it the global standard for settlements. https://news.bitcoin.com/four-banks-create-new-digital-currency/ On Tue, Aug 23, 2

Re: blockchain

2016-08-23 Thread David Bovill
Thanks for the link! On 23 August 2016 at 20:00, Jerry Jensen wrote: > IEEE is getting interested in blockchain technology. Here’s a basic > article: > > http://theinstitute.ieee.org/technology-topics/computing/ > getting-linked-to-the-blockchain > > .Jerry J > > > On Aug 20, 2016, at 2:17 AM, D

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2016-08-23 Thread Jerry Jensen
IEEE is getting interested in blockchain technology. Here’s a basic article: http://theinstitute.ieee.org/technology-topics/computing/getting-linked-to-the-blockchain .Jerry J > On Aug 20, 2016, at 2:17 AM, David Bovill wrote: > > Mike that would be great. I'd like to get together a small grou

Re: blockchain

2016-08-20 Thread David Bovill
Mike that would be great. I'd like to get together a small group to research together the integration of Livecode with blockchain - starting in November. The format would be asynchronous work with some live get-togethers. Involvement does not need to be super-geeky. It will be a research group, so

Re: blockchain

2016-08-18 Thread Mike Kerner
James, I'm always interested in what other folks are doing, and I'd like to hear more about the setup. David, I'd definitely be interested. On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 6:20 AM, David Bovill wrote: > Yes - I've been interested in Livecode and blockchain for a couple of years > now. I've been followi

Re: blockchain

2016-08-18 Thread David Bovill
Yes - I've been interested in Livecode and blockchain for a couple of years now. I've been following Ethereum since the beginning - we tried to make a documentary about the project and I went to DevCon 1 in Berlin as the team started it's development. There is an interesting online Hackathon in No

Re: blockchain

2016-08-17 Thread Richard Gaskin
Jerry Daniels wrote: > On Aug 17, 2016, 5:12 PM -0500, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >> What is the business benefit for this application to go P2P rather >> than client-server? > > Richard, cost savings, security, privacy. Costs are drastically > reduced without hosting and its (hidden) labor/mainten

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2016-08-17 Thread me
Richard, Mike...sorry for my butting in here. Feel free to ignore my interruption. On Aug 17, 2016, 5:12 PM -0500, Richard Gaskin , wrote: > Mike Kerner wrote: > > > Connectivity isn't central, it's simply a failure mode that gives us > > an extra wrinkle. Ignore connectivity, and just focus on

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2016-08-17 Thread me
Richard, cost savings, security, privacy. Costs are drastically reduced without hosting and its (hidden) labor/maintenance. Just think about the long record of exploitation of hosted SQL data. Not in the models were discussing here. On Aug 17, 2016, 5:12 PM -0500, Richard Gaskin , wrote: > Mike

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2016-08-17 Thread me
Mike, I used the BitTorrent model to do my decentralization but I also put an optional local network relay station to cover mobile's inability to listen and to handle those circumstances where everyone's device was turned off. My reasoning was: I wanted the data to be as local and as live as pos

Re: blockchain

2016-08-17 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mike Kerner wrote: > Connectivity isn't central, it's simply a failure mode that gives us > an extra wrinkle. Ignore connectivity, and just focus on getting rid > of the server, if you like. Or, design a decentralized diamond > registry. What is the business benefit for this application to go

Re: blockchain

2016-08-17 Thread Mike Kerner
Connectivity isn't central, it's simply a failure mode that gives us an extra wrinkle. Ignore connectivity, and just focus on getting rid of the server, if you like. Or, design a decentralized diamond registry. On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Mike Kerner wrote: > > > R

Re: blockchain

2016-08-17 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mike Kerner wrote: > Richard, > The primers that were the most helpful to me are ones that are hidden > behind paywalls (but understanding Merkle trees might also help). Good tip - thanks. > The easiest scenario to describe is a warehouse. Mobiles are in the > hands of all personnel, because L

Re: blockchain

2016-08-17 Thread Mike Kerner
Jerry, I completely agree. It's a tool, not a solution to all of the world's problems. Richard, The primers that were the most helpful to me are ones that are hidden behind paywalls (but understanding Merkle trees might also help). The easiest scenario to describe is a warehouse. Mobiles are in

Re: blockchain

2016-08-17 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mike Kerner wrote: > Richard Gaskin wrote: >> Mike Kerner wrote: >> > If I have my mobiles on the same network, and a blockchain, maybe I >> > don't even need a central server. If I have a blockchain, maybe a >> > cell phone that is on my network can be communicating with the >> > outside world

Re: blockchain

2016-08-16 Thread me
Mike, the issues you are bringing are vital ones actually, not the least bit frivolous. Blockchain is like LiveCode's executionContexts property on a global scale. "Trust, but verify, Mr. Gorbachev." Blockchain is distributed trust, which is real (not corporate) trust. That said, I'd have to as

Re: blockchain

2016-08-16 Thread Mike Kerner
This isn't about connectivity. This is about surviving a catastrophic failure at a central authoritative data source, by eliminating the need for a central data source. Blockchains are not used to distribute data. Blockchains are, in effect, streams of timestamped checksums. Embedded in them are

Re: blockchain

2016-08-16 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mike Kerner wrote: > Richard, think Delta Airlines outage. If you hire IT staff that doesn't set up failover or practice disaster recovery, I'm not sure that's a technology problem. :) > Blockchains don't just give you distributed storage, they give you > distributed trust. Being cheap, I tu

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2016-08-16 Thread me
Mike, follow the project via email signup here: http://botz.live I'll be coming up for air in a few days and able to discuss more with you then. Best, Jerry On Aug 16, 2016, 7:59 AM -0500, Mike Kerner , wrote: > Jerry, I'm interested, so please share, off list or on. > Richard, think Delta Airli

Re: blockchain

2016-08-16 Thread Mike Kerner
Jerry, I'm interested, so please share, off list or on. Richard, think Delta Airlines outage. Blockchains don't just give you distributed storage, they give you distributed trust. Being cheap, I turned dropbox, and google spreadsheets, and Box, and a couple of other services into online data repo

Re: blockchain

2016-08-15 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mike Kerner wrote: > Has anyone thought about implementing something similar to a > blockchain in LC? I've been noggining this for a long time, > but I haven't gotten far enough to talk about it. What sort of application did you have in mind for this? And why blockchain specifically over othe

Re: blockchain

2016-08-15 Thread me
I've started building the road for Blockchain concept in LC, Mike. I've also been keenly interested in it. Best, Jerry On Aug 15, 2016, 2:48 PM -0500, Mike Kerner , wrote: > Has anyone thought about implementing something similar to a blockchain in > LC? I've been noggining this for a long time,