James, I'm always interested in what other folks are doing, and I'd like to
hear more about the setup.  David, I'd definitely be interested.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 6:20 AM, David Bovill <david@viral.academy> wrote:

> Yes - I've been interested in Livecode and blockchain for a couple of years
> now. I've been following Ethereum since the beginning - we tried to make a
> documentary about the project and I went to DevCon 1 in Berlin as the team
> started it's development.
>
> There is an interesting online Hackathon in November if any Livecoders are
> interested in taking part / forming a team?
>
> On 18 August 2016 at 01:27, Richard Gaskin <ambassa...@fourthworld.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Jerry Daniels wrote:
> >
> > > On Aug 17, 2016, 5:12 PM -0500, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> > >>
> > >> What is the business benefit for this application to go P2P rather
> > >> than client-server?
> > >
> > > Richard, cost savings, security, privacy. Costs are drastically
> > > reduced without hosting and its (hidden) labor/maintenance. Just
> > > think about the long record of exploitation of hosted SQL data.
> > > Not in the models were discussing here.
> >
> > I like the idea* of P2P for some applications, but with the explosion of
> > cloud services the client-server model seems to have merit as well.
> >
> > On the one hand, there are the risks of managing (hopefully redundant)
> > server farms.  On the other hand there are the risks of having every
> client
> > also be a server, but without a team of professionals hardening and
> > monitoring it.
> >
> > All systems are hackable.  Ideally prevention, monitoring, and recovery
> > are budgeted for in the business plan with any architecture.
> >
> > I believe there's a role for both client-server and P2P, and federated
> > models as well.  Each has its own benefits and tradeoffs; like
> programming
> > languages, there'll always be more because use cases where they can add
> > value only grow and diversify.
> >
> > Back to blockchains, from my reading it's becoming clear that the
> > distributed trust is a compelling feature, along with the increased speed
> > with which transaction ledgers can be conveyed faithfully.  Like the
> early
> > days of railroads, networks outside of Bitcoin employ different
> standards,
> > each with its own kinks to work out but worth the effort. Over time it
> > seems likely they'll impact global quality of life as significantly as
> the
> > invention of compound interest.
> >
> > Lots to learn....
> >
> >
> > > Richard, Mike...sorry for my butting in here. Feel free to ignore my
> > > interruption.
> >
> > Au contraire, mon ami.  Always good to have you around.
> >
> >
> >
> > * I've been paranoid for years, and enjoying Mr. Robot has only made that
> > worse. :)  For the last several years I've run my main laptop and
> > workstation with no open ports (easy to do with Ubuntu since it ships
> that
> > way; took some work to harden my Mac). This has meant that as eagerly as
> I
> > used to visit openp2p.com and read the other things, these days P2P is
> an
> > interesting set of ideas but not something I focus on; all collaboration
> > systems here use only outbound connections.
> >
> >
> > --
> >  Richard Gaskin
> >  Fourth World Systems
> >  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
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