Re: Screen readers

2018-12-10 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
Both Windows and OSX include screen reader libraries: Microsoft Windows includes Microsoft Narrator. Mac OS X includes VoiceOver. However, most visually impaired Windows users who have contacted us, use JAWS from Freedom Scientific. I have also seen some evidence that NVDA, and open source sc

Re: Screen readers

2018-12-10 Thread Trevor DeVore via use-livecode
On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 4:46 PM Rick Harrison via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > This is something that should be handled at the operating system level > inside of macOS or Windows etc. A screen reader only works if the web page or application provides information to the

Re: Screen readers

2018-12-10 Thread Rick Harrison via use-livecode
This is something that should be handled at the operating system level inside of macOS or Windows etc. Just my 2 cents. Rick > On Dec 10, 2018, at 4:03 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > On 12/10/18 2:22 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: >> On 12/10/2018 3:06 PM, J. Landm

Re: Screen readers

2018-12-10 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
On 12/10/18 2:22 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: On 12/10/2018 3:06 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: Does screen reader software (for visually limited users) work with LC fields? Anyone know? Not in our experience. Have not checked LC9. We get requests periodically for ver

Re: Screen readers

2018-12-10 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
On 12/10/2018 3:06 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: Does screen reader software (for visually limited users) work with LC fields? Anyone know? Not in our experience. Have not checked LC9. We get requests periodically for versions of our products (both made using LiveCode) that sup

Re: screen readers

2015-08-28 Thread Bob Sneidar
I have a bin like that. Mine is more like those tiny little circular cans under most people's desk. Yours is probably the size of New York. Bob S On Aug 26, 2015, at 13:14 , Trevor DeVore mailto:li...@mangomultimedia.com>> wrote: For me it is one of those things that I would like to have but

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Phil Davis
I still contend that Richmond is secretly paid by LC to keep list discussions "interesting". Of course as their paid minion, I would expect him to deny this. (tongue firmly in cheek) ;-) Phil On 8/27/15 2:36 AM, Graham Samuel wrote: Mark, thanks for that quick, comprehensive and clear reply

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
On 08/27/2015 01:09 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: I thought it was the other way around: visually challenged for partially sighted and visually impaired for blind. As a non-native speaker of English, it doesn't mattering to me. I just copy what I read or hear without any emotions attached to the

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Mark Schonewille
I thought it was the other way around: visually challenged for partially sighted and visually impaired for blind. As a non-native speaker of English, it doesn't mattering to me. I just copy what I read or hear without any emotions attached to the words themselves. -- Kind regards, Mark Schonew

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
One of the 'snags' with most screen readers is that they are NOT really screen readers at all, they are programs that read the content inwith windows of programs with which they are compatible. Until (?) someone develops a LiveCode-specific screen reader, what would be required is a reader

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screen_readers Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listin

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Graham Samuel
Mark, thanks for that quick, comprehensive and clear reply. Graham PS In this particular context, I don’t want to be drawn into a discussion of the ‘political correctness’ of the terminology - so far, so un-Richmond-ish. > On 27 Aug 2015, at 09:52, Mark Schonewille > wrote: > > Graham, > >

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
On 08/27/2015 12:05 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Richmond, Not everybody who has eye problems is immediately blind. At least, not in my environment. I assumed you were using "visually challenged" as a euphemism for 'blind', and "visually impaired" for 'partially sighted'. Otherwise there wa

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Mark Schonewille
Richmond, Not everybody who has eye problems is immediately blind. At least, not in my environment. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Installer Ma

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
On 08/27/2015 11:52 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Graham, A screen reader is software that allows visually challenged or visually impaired people Oh, Joy! There we are! to understand what is currently on their computer screen. It allows them to find the right control so they can press the

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Richmond
On 08/27/2015 11:29 AM, Graham Samuel wrote: I feel a bit Richmond-ish asking this (whether this is a good thing or a bad thing I leave as an exercise for the reader), but what is a screen reader in this context, and how and why has the very wide-ranging term ‘accessibility’ been hijacked in

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Mark Schonewille
Graham, A screen reader is software that allows visually challenged or visually impaired people to understand what is currently on their computer screen. It allows them to find the right control so they can press the return key or space bar to activate that control and it allows them to hear

Re: screen readers

2015-08-27 Thread Graham Samuel
I feel a bit Richmond-ish asking this (whether this is a good thing or a bad thing I leave as an exercise for the reader), but what is a screen reader in this context, and how and why has the very wide-ranging term ‘accessibility’ been hijacked in relation to it? I ask as an ignorant observer, b

Re: screen readers

2015-08-26 Thread Phil Davis
Hi Trevor, I did indeed miss that thread. Thanks for the heads-up! Phil On 8/26/15 1:14 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: On Wednesday, August 26, 2015, Phil Davis wrote: I see there are some related comments in the Forums. Looks like I'm not alone. Phil On 8/26/15 12:04 PM, Phil Davis wrote: H

Re: screen readers

2015-08-26 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Wednesday, August 26, 2015, Phil Davis wrote: > I see there are some related comments in the Forums. Looks like I'm not > alone. > Phil > > On 8/26/15 12:04 PM, Phil Davis wrote: > >> Has anyone been able to make desktop stacks work with screen readers? I'm >> experimenting with the Mac's Voic

Re: screen readers

2015-08-26 Thread David Simpson
Phil, Indeed, LiveCode does not currently support Accessibility. I have used a variety of automation software like AppleScript and WinAutomation - and only the outline of the window and the window controls are visible. In fact, I lost a sale last week because my software could not be used with J

Re: screen readers

2015-08-26 Thread Phil Davis
Thank you Mark. I think your assessment of this matter is probably accurate. Phil On 8/26/15 12:38 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi Phil, As far as I know, LiveCode is currently incompatible with screen readers. This issue has been reported at http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7286 bu

Re: screen readers

2015-08-26 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Phil, As far as I know, LiveCode is currently incompatible with screen readers. This issue has been reported at http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7286 but I don't get the impression that RunRev has a serious interest in fixing this. One of the comments says widgets will solve it, b

Re: screen readers

2015-08-26 Thread Phil Davis
I see there are some related comments in the Forums. Looks like I'm not alone. Phil On 8/26/15 12:04 PM, Phil Davis wrote: Has anyone been able to make desktop stacks work with screen readers? I'm experimenting with the Mac's VoiceOver utility (included with OS X), and VO doesn't know how to i