Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-11 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
Mark, thanks for your in depth exploration of this issue ... Richard, the coded issue for me is to allow my users to view all youtube videos as well as any other streaming site that uses h264 ...youtube uses a different codec for their live stuff and a different one for the archived stuff. the

Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-11 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
On 2018-09-11 07:32, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: So, your binaries would actually be non-GPLv3 licensed; but you would then be providing the source-code (which you own the copyright to) under GPLv3 on GitHub. Whether that works depends on what the requirements on your project are re

Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-11 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
On 2018-09-11 03:14, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: To start with I think you need to ensure that building CEF with proprietary codecs enabled does not include anything that has a license that is incompatible with GPL 3. Otherwise you can’t distribute your standalone with the modified CEF

Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-10 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
All this sounds like maybe looking for a GPL-compatible codec may be easier. Tom, would WebM do what you need? https://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/googles-updated-webm-license https://www.webmproject.org -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop,

Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-10 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
On 2018-09-10 10:49, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode wrote: Mark - can you find fault in my logic? And if not then if it is put into LC it would have a setting for include/exclude as with the other libraries. There is not fault in your logic (for the most part) - it is indeed something we have d

Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-10 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
On 2018-09-11 05:03, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote: Seems like the GPL issue is in LiveCode’s court. They can specifically allow linking to non-free libraries as a provision to the GPL license. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#FSWithNFLibs http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPL

Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-10 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
On 2018-09-11 02:48, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote: So I got a msg back and they are totally down with me shipping the codec as long as I pay the fees for the # of licenses I sell past 100,000 Correct me if I am wrong, can I not put the code of my application on github as GPL 3? and build my

Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-10 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
Maybe I need to email Kevin and tell him more about the project, the problem and the lack of options. ... thanks for those links the plot thickens. On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 11:05 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Seems like the GPL issue is in LiveCode’s

Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-10 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode
Seems like the GPL issue is in LiveCode’s court. They can specifically allow linking to non-free libraries as a provision to the GPL license. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#FSWithNFLibs http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLIncompatibleLibs Thanks, Brian On Sep 10, 2018, 9:23 PM -

Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-10 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
Thats what I am thinking too. I will do my best to find a legal perspective on this. didn't Runrev have to ship the first LC Community with something proprietery in it too? I remember seeing a note about it in the installer. or maybe i was hallucinating. Why do my standalones have to be G

Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-10 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode
There’s some questions here that need a lawyer to answer. To start with I think you need to ensure that building CEF with proprietary codecs enabled does not include anything that has a license that is incompatible with GPL 3. Otherwise you can’t distribute your standalone with the modified CE

Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-10 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
So I got a msg back and they are totally down with me shipping the codec as long as I pay the fees for the # of licenses I sell past 100,000 Correct me if I am wrong, can I not put the code of my application on github as GPL 3? and build my standalones using LC with the modified CEF files ? If s

Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-10 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Lagi Pittas wrote: > I have read a few articles about this - and I think Livecode doesn't > have a problem with building it in - here is my take. Is the licensing compatible with GPLv3? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the W

Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-10 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
I read that pricing info as wellwhich is why i am willing to enter into a contract with them. interesting. On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 4:49 AM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I have read a few articles about this - and I think Livecode doesn't have > a pro

Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-10 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
I have read a few articles about this - and I think Livecode doesn't have a problem with building it in - here is my take. Foe under 100,000 uses/sales/installs (whatever) there is no charge. 100,000 to 250,000 is $25000 I assume Livecode has NOT sold more than 100,000 copies of Indy or Busin

Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-09 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
Hi Monte, I was hoping that was the case, but I figured luck would have it i would need to build LC. Good to hear. The truth is I am not really sure how these fine details work..I definitely need clarity. We had to make a pivot with our products the sequence.so we have 2 on the go. one

Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-09 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode
> On 10 Sep 2018, at 4:02 am, Tom Glod via use-livecode > wrote: > > If I do that . I then have to make my own build of CEF, My own build of > Livecode, and then build my standalones? What could go wrong?LOL > Is that my only option? I may have to seriously consider doing whatev

Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-09 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
f-bomb! ty for those resources Richard. On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 3:48 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Tom Glod wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 1:36 PM Mark Waddingham wrote: > > > >> H264 is patent encumbered - in order to distribute software > >

Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-09 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Tom Glod wrote: > On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 1:36 PM Mark Waddingham wrote: > >> H264 is patent encumbered - in order to distribute software >> containing an implementation you need to license the MPEG-LA patent >> pool. >> >> That's why you won't find any public CEF prebuilts with the flag >> enable

Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-09 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
If I do that . I then have to make my own build of CEF, My own build of Livecode, and then build my standalones? What could go wrong?LOL Is that my only option? I may have to seriously consider doing whatever it takes. Thanks for the confirmation. On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 1:36 PM Mar

Re: Livecode's CEF Builds

2018-09-09 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
H264 is patent encumbered - in order to distribute software containing an implementation you need to license the MPEG-LA patent pool. That's why you won't find any public CEF prebuilts with the flag enabled. Warmest Regards, Mark. Sent from my iPhone > On 9 Sep 2018, at 18:04, Tom Glod via u