Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-17 Thread stephen barncard
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:13 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > Some people believe the World Trade Centres were a controlled demolition > perpetrated by the US Gov. No matter how many times you show them videos of > planes crashing into WTC 1 & 2 they wont change their mind and the theories > and websites

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-17 Thread TEDennis
You're right. Everybody has their own way of working. I have no reason to doubt they fixed it, considering the detailed self-validating script I submitted. However, I will most certainly verify it in my own app when I enhance that app. If it fails for some reason at that point in time, then the

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-17 Thread Alex Tweedly
On 17/03/2015 18:19, TEDennis wrote: re: Have you submitted it? [the "eof" bug]. If not, do you have a sample script I might use to verify the issue and submit it for you? I submitted it, complete with a detailed script/recipe. It was accepted as a bug, and they [claim to have] fixed it. When

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-17 Thread TEDennis
Richard: re: I thought Kay's post lent a welcome balance to the discussion. Good for you. It's all in perspective. The tone of Kay's post certainly didn't sound like a "welcome balance" to me. It sounded condescending, so I responded in kind. Trust me, that was far milder than what I felt lik

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-17 Thread Richard Gaskin
TEDennis wrote: Kay C Lan: Well, I'm glad you got that off your chest. Feel better? It seems you have an emotional tie to somebody or something at RunRev. It could simply be that your years of Revolution/LiveCode usage has created a strong loyalty. Whatever ... It's likely your view is some

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-17 Thread Earthednet-wp
Cogent comments, all. One of the functions of this community, I believe, is to support and encourage the livecode dev team, and each other. Another equally important function is to provide honest feedback and a kick in the pants when it seems to be needed. I love the direction the team is going.

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-17 Thread TEDennis
Kay C Lan: Well, I'm glad you got that off your chest. Feel better? It seems you have an emotional tie to somebody or something at RunRev. It could simply be that your years of Revolution/LiveCode usage has created a strong loyalty. Whatever ... It's likely your view is somewhat biased towards

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-16 Thread Kay C Lan
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:38 AM, TEDennis wrote: > Apparently all those references have been wrong. How > did we ALL (or most of us) get to the point where we thought Unicode was > the > culprit? > > Probably because LC7 was billed as the Unicode version and it's simple word association. The fac

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-16 Thread TEDennis
re: Does LC6.7.3 not work for you until LC7 performance improves? I gave up quite a while ago trying to use any version higher than 6.1 because I ran into an intermittent issue with arrays. I don't even remember what the problem was now, but that same app now works in 7.0.4. Well, it *almost* w

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-16 Thread TEDennis
Bernard: I didn't see the transition in Dr. Brett's discussion to be as black and white as your interpretation. re: all the goodness of widgets and the javascript engine and the new "DSL" language enhancements seem to me to be far more significant than unicode. Agree 100%, and I am looking forwa

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-16 Thread Paul Hibbert
> If > Unicode is what's behind the performance glitches, then that's most > certainly not the answer I want to hear. But, life goes on. This is what I understand the LC engineers are actively working on, so hopefully there should be some performance improvements in the future. I really suspect

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-16 Thread Bernard Devlin
I think the important part of Peter Brett's answer comes after his remarks on Unicode: >> Internally, the LC7 engine only uses Unicode if it has to. If your application only uses native strings, then LC7 will only use native strings. Built-in Unicode support has very little to do with the fact

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-16 Thread TEDennis
Paul: Thanks for the response. I asked: "/Can we turn off that /[Unicode]/ detection, thus eliminating Unicode processing?/" You replied: "/No, this has been asked several times on the list, it's part of the internal processing that LC uses and is too deeply embedded to eliminate/". I have been

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-16 Thread Paul Hibbert
> No response to my prior post, so let's try this again ... I'll give some answers as far as I understand LC7 at present, if I get something wrong no doubt someone will correct me! It wouldn't be the first time. :) > Dr Peter Brett wrote: "Internally, the LC7 engine only uses Unicode if it > ha

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-16 Thread TEDennis
No response to my prior post, so let's try this again ... Dr Peter Brett wrote: "Internally, the LC7 engine only uses Unicode if it has to. If your application only uses native strings, then LC7 will only use native strings. Built-in Unicode support has very little to do with the fact that LC7 i

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-12 Thread stephen barncard
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > I'll keep you posted with any definitive news from them. > thanks, Richard -- Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-12 Thread Richard Gaskin
stephen barncard wrote: > On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:27 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> Is that on Dreamhost, or have you been able to reproduce it on >> another shared host? > > I have a "standby" shared account at Intersever.. thanks to your > suggestion. > I am pretty sure I did a test but

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-11 Thread stephen barncard
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:27 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Is that on Dreamhost, or have you been able to reproduce it on another > shared host? I have a "standby" shared account at Intersever.. thanks to your suggestion. I am pretty sure I did a test but maybe not. thanks for reminding me.

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
stephen barncard wrote: "something" make the load time an intolerable one second or more that wasn't there before in earlier 32 bit versions of LC Server. Really annoying. This had nothing to do with 'workload'. Is that on Dreamhost, or have you been able to reproduce it on another shared host

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-11 Thread stephen barncard
It should be noted that Gmail incorrectly quoted TED. On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 7:30 PM, stephen barncard < stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com> wrote: > Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words -- Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words _

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-11 Thread stephen barncard
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 6:27 AM, TEDennis wrote: > re: Internally, the LC7 engine only uses Unicode if it has to. If your > application only uses native strings, > then LC7 will only use native strings. Built-in Unicode support has very > little to do with the fact that LC7 is slower for some

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-11 Thread TEDennis
re: Internally, the LC7 engine only uses Unicode if it has to. If your application only uses native strings, then LC7 will only use native strings. Built-in Unicode support has very little to do with the fact that LC7 is slower for some workload I don't now, and don't intend to, use Unicode. I

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-10 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 2015-03-10 19:41, Richard Gaskin wrote: Terence Heaford wrote: Can LC 7 & LC 8 be coded to enable Unicode to be switched “on”/“off” either globally or on an individual control basis? Not likely. Unicode affects all things that deal with strings. That's pretty much most of the engine.

Re: LC7 & Unicode

2015-03-10 Thread Richard Gaskin
Terence Heaford wrote: > Can LC 7 & LC 8 be coded to enable Unicode to be switched “on”/“off” > either globally or on an individual control basis? Not likely. Unicode affects all things that deal with strings. That's pretty much most of the engine. Moreover, the refactoring for Unicode wasn