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On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:36 AM, PystCat wrote: > > > What the Americans have done is pinched other people's inventions and > improved them immensely, to the extent > > that they can fool people they invented the things in the first place. > > Examples and/or citations, please. 😘 > Ketchup If

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On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > How about asian countries where the character set is hundreds or > thousands of > images? > There are basically two methods, one for gweilos who don't know how to write Chinese characters but need Chinese characters and another for real Ch

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On Tuesday, May 12, 2015, Terence Heaford wrote: > > > I am still concerned though that the rendering performance of a DataGrid > implemented in LCB may be inferior to what we currently have in 6.7.4. > As the original author of the data grid and someone who has written a fair number of widgets i

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> On 12 May 2015, at 08:38, Mark Waddingham wrote: > > We already have a simple ios-like list and simple treeview in 8, but are > working on others - particularly as we improve the abilities of LCB. Well, that’s promising then as an updated DataGrid would be essential for me. I am still conce

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No - widget based lists/tables are/would be rendered direct from data. It's on of the reasons they work so much better than compound controls for things which currently have to be made up from lots of controls. We already have a simple ios-like list and simple treeview in 8, but are working on

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> On 12 May 2015, at 02:21, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > The datagrid would be another good candidate for a widget. Then we'd have a > real table control. But wouldn’t that just still be a number of fields pretending to be table cells, just as now but inside a widget wrapper as opposed to a gro

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On 11 May 2015, at 9:52 pm, Bjoernke von Gierke wrote: > > It's not xTalk, just like widgets (at least right now) are not LC. But once written they are. The developer uses LCB but after you install a widget it acts just like a built-in control. For Trevor's slider, for example, you would "set

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> On 11 May 2015, at 9:52 pm, Bjoernke von Gierke wrote: > > Sure, Widgets do things that LC can't do. I do however want LC to be able to > do stuff. In a similar vein, I'd want to use LC to access sql and xml. > Instead, I'm using C-style functions. It's not xTalk, just like widgets (at > le

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> While HyperCard WAS (and I am capitalising that deliberately) > written in pseudo-English that was for the simple reason that > at that point the ONLY people who were buying Apple's > computers were North Americans and Richmond, who happened to > be in North America at the time (thanks to his

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> Not in english? repeat, while, with, if, filter, replace, > line, word, etc., etc. I'm not saying the syntax is english, > but the words clearly are. It is English like. Uses English words, and sensical English-like grammatical structures. However you do not have to know English well to be abl

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Not in english? repeat, while, with, if, filter, replace, line, word, etc., etc. I'm not saying the syntax is english, but the words clearly are. With the language extension capability that is coming Some Day Now, yes, I would expect that everyone could program in their own language. I wonder how

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Wow, I added several Chinese keyboards (including one based on handwriting recognition). I'd love to see someone who is skilled at that in action. I opened the most recent app I installed (Momentum) and I now have a defined habit that I surely can't read. :-) On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:03 AM, J.

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Richmond wrote: Gottit at last; the new GUI mockup: http://web.archive.org/web/20130203003005/http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode? The biggest difference there is that the stack you're working on is displayed as a pane within a larger IDE window that

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2015 2:29 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited It is supposed to be blowing a kiss... Now... WHY on earth would anyone willingly spend time in Carbondale Illinois...? I've never known those examples to be an "American" invention but... FTW... Mars

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On 11/05/15 20:54, Klaus major-k wrote: Watch this and cry :-D I didn't cry because the man should obviously either be locked away in a funny farm or get a job as some sort of performance street artist. Certainly quite frightening

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On 11/05/15 21:29, PystCat wrote: It is supposed to be blowing a kiss... Now... WHY on earth would anyone willingly spend time in Carbondale Illinois...? I had a really super 3 years there doing my first Master's degree there in 1993-96. Richmond. I've never known those examples to be an

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It is supposed to be blowing a kiss... Now... WHY on earth would anyone willingly spend time in Carbondale Illinois...? I've never known those examples to be an "American" invention but... FTW... Marshmallow creme or as it is known in the states... Fluff http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_o

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Gottit at last; the new GUI mockup: http://web.archive.org/web/20130203003005/http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode? Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url t

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On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > We know it impacted the development very significantly, but beyond the > other two areas of concern are the size of standalones and their > performance, and in these the impact of Unicode has not been clear. Having just used LC 7 to make

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Can we please call "Cheese!" on this inventor sub-thread and move it to the Off-Topic forum?: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ___

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> On 11 May 2015, at 18:58, Richmond wrote: > > If he self-identified as a Canadian I wonder why he is described as a > Scottish-American around and about? Perhaps, here is your answer ;) > On 11 May 2015, at 18:29, Richmond wrote: > > The Americans have invented very little indeed. > >

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Geoff Canyon wrote: >...I was just saying that since the language *itself* is in english, > how much of a difference does it make to work entirely within the > ascii character set? Obviously some (a lot?) but if that were the > only use-case for unicode it would be thin indeed. Unicode is the mo

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The patent for his telephone was granted in 1876. He became an American citizen 6 years later in 1882. He spent a lot of his life in Canada, ending up in Baddeck, Cape Breton, where there is a fascinating museum devoted to his work which included many inventions other than the telephone. Pete lc

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On 11/05/15 20:56, Terence Heaford wrote: I think he self identified as a Canadian. Where he eventually died. Most people do eventually die. If he self-identified as a Canadian I wonder why he is described as a Scottish-American around and about? Richmond. All the best Terry On 11 M

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I think he self identified as a Canadian. Where he eventually died. All the best Terry > On 11 May 2015, at 18:52, Richmond wrote: > > BUT . . . did he self-identify as a Scot at the time he "invented" the > telephone? ___ use-livecode mailing l

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On 11/05/15 20:42, Klaus major-k wrote: Hi RIchmond, Am 11.05.2015 um 19:38 schrieb Richmond : On 11/05/15 18:49, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Odd as it sounds, they figured out that there's a huge demand for a microsoft product, any microsoft product, that doesn't suck . . . It does sound odd; e

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Hi Richmond, > Am 11.05.2015 um 19:49 schrieb Richmond : > > On 11/05/15 20:42, Klaus major-k wrote: >> Hi RIchmond, >> >>> Am 11.05.2015 um 19:38 schrieb Richmond : >>> >>> On 11/05/15 18:49, Lynn Fredricks wrote: >> Odd as it sounds, they figured out that there's a huge demand for a >

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On 11/05/15 20:43, Terence Heaford wrote: Alexander Graham Bell was born in Edinburgh, Scotland. I am surprised, wrong, and stand corrected. BUT . . . did he self-identify as a Scot at the time he "invented" the telephone? My children have self-identified themselves as Scots, British, Bulga

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Alexander Graham Bell was born in Edinburgh, Scotland. All the best Terry > On 11 May 2015, at 18:31, Richmond wrote: > > Not really: as far as I know, his father was Scots, while he, himself was > born in the USA. ___ use-livecode mailing list use

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Hi RIchmond, > Am 11.05.2015 um 19:38 schrieb Richmond : > > On 11/05/15 18:49, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Odd as it sounds, they figured out that there's a huge demand for a microsoft product, any microsoft product, that doesn't suck . . . >>> It does sound odd; especially as it has

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On 11/05/15 20:36, PystCat wrote: The Americans have invented very little indeed. What the Americans have done is pinched other people's inventions and improved them immensely, to the extent that they can fool people they invented the things in the first place. Examples and/or citations, pleas

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On 11/05/15 18:49, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Odd as it sounds, they figured out that there's a huge demand for a microsoft product, any microsoft product, that doesn't suck . . . It does sound odd; especially as it has taken them about 20 years to work it out. I actually like a lot of specific ve

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On 11/05/15 17:46, Terence Heaford wrote: Just for fun. Can someone tell me who invented the Computer? All the best Terry Well it was either Charles Babbage in England - who invented a mechanical computer, The inventor of the strange navigational computer fished out of the Mediterrane

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> The Americans have invented very little indeed. > > What the Americans have done is pinched other people's inventions and > improved them immensely, to the extent > that they can fool people they invented the things in the first place. Examples and/or citations, please. 😘 > Some Americans ev

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On 11/05/15 17:31, Terence Heaford wrote: And…. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Graham_Bell Alexander Graham Bell is a Scottish scientist Not really: as far as I know, his father wa

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On 11/05/15 17:27, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi, A quick look-up on Wikipedia: "Innocenzo Manzetti considered the idea of a telephone as early as 1844, and may have made one in 1864, as an enhancement to an automaton built by him in 1849." Why doesn't Italy have 001? Don't answer that the US

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On 11/05/15 17:09, PystCat wrote: I have a friend who gets very annoyed that "the Americans always control things." When I ask for clarification of this I get, "Well... For instance, why does the States have to be 001 in the international dialing? Answer me THAT..!" The answer... "We inve

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On 11/05/15 17:06, Geoff Canyon wrote: "the language *itself* is in english" Well, apart from the oversight of not capitalising the name of the language, I don't think "the language" (i.e. the scripting language inwith LiveCode) is "in" English, nor is it English, it is, at best, something Engl

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On May 11, 2015 10:30:21 AM CDT, Geoff Canyon wrote: >Apart from the basics like ñ and é, how do you enter non-ascii >characters >on iOS? Do iPhones in Russia display a different keyboard by default? >How >about asian countries where the character set is hundreds or thousands >of >images? Yes.

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But he was an American in the states when he did it... > On May 11, 2015, at 10:31 AM, Terence Heaford wrote: > > And…. > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Graham_Bell > > > > Alexander Graham Bell is a Scottish >

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Yes...sure. It looks like they did a lot with it, too. Oh wait... No... They didn't. H > On May 11, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Mark Schonewille > wrote: > > Hi, > > A quick look-up on Wikipedia: > > "Innocenzo Manzetti considered the idea of a telephone as early as 1844, and > may have made o

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On Monday, May 11, 2015, Geoff Canyon wrote: > Apart from the basics like ñ and é, how do you enter non-ascii characters > on iOS? Do iPhones in Russia display a different keyboard by default? How > about asian countries where the character set is hundreds or thousands of > images? > I don't kno

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> > Odd as it sounds, they figured out that there's a huge demand for a > > microsoft product, any microsoft product, that doesn't suck . . . > > > > It does sound odd; especially as it has taken them about 20 > years to work it out. I actually like a lot of specific versions of MS products. I

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> This is why I asked, hoping for a response from someone who > shops the Greek app store, or the Japanese app store. Those > are the ones who would know the percentage. We sell Valentina Studio Pro worldwide in all the Mac App Stores, and of course, the free Valentina Studio, everywhere. It is

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Certainly true. I could see myself writing: повторение для каждый слово aWord в myString On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:22 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On May 11, 2015 9:06:07 AM CDT, Geoff Canyon wrote: > > But also, I was just saying that since the language > >*itself* is in english, how much o

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Apart from the basics like ñ and é, how do you enter non-ascii characters on iOS? Do iPhones in Russia display a different keyboard by default? How about asian countries where the character set is hundreds or thousands of images? On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > On Mon, M

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On May 11, 2015 9:06:07 AM CDT, Geoff Canyon wrote: > But also, I was just saying that since the language >*itself* is in english, how much of a difference does it make to work >entirely within the ascii character set? Flipping things around a bit, how much of a difference would it make to work

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On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > Again, maybe I'm unusual, but none of these apply to any of the apps I've > ever written. I've done consulting work (oh so long ago) on apps that > stored people's names, and likely unicode comes in handy for those, but I > haven't asked the

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> I wasn't trying to imply that everyone should work in > english. For starters, there are many languages besides > english that use few or no non-ascii characters. But also, I > was just saying that since the language > *itself* is in english, how much of a difference does it make > to work en

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*thumbs up* But I'll leave this sub-thread now, because it seems quite OT. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Installer Maker for LiveCode: http://qe

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Just for fun. Can someone tell me who invented the Computer? All the best Terry ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runr

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> On 11 May 2015, at 15:36, Mike Kerner wrote: > > Reminding everyone that Bell was a Scott is like reminding everyone that > Einstein was German. It's a lesson that should remind everyone, especially > colonists, that you gotta have a big tent, be accepting of big, novel, > disruptive ideas, a

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Tivadar Puskás de Ditró (English: Theodore Puskás [1] b. 17 September 1844, Pest - d. 16 March 1893, Budapest ) was a Hungarian

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Reminding everyone that Bell was a Scott is like reminding everyone that Einstein was German. It's a lesson that should remind everyone, especially colonists, that you gotta have a big tent, be accepting of big, novel, disruptive ideas, and gladly and joyfully welcome everyone, with open arms, no

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It doesn't matter if the colonists invented the telephone. They invented the international telephone network. Thus, they got to decide how it operates. On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Hi, > > A quick look-up on Wikipedia: > > "Inno

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And…. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Graham_Bell Alexander Graham Bell is a Scottish scientist All the best Terry > On 11 May 2015, at 15:27, Mark Schonewille > wrote: > > Hi,

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Hi, A quick look-up on Wikipedia: "Innocenzo Manzetti considered the idea of a telephone as early as 1844, and may have made one in 1864, as an enhancement to an automaton built by him in 1849." Why doesn't Italy have 001? Don't answer that the US invented electricity: it is said that the

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I have a friend who gets very annoyed that "the Americans always control things." When I ask for clarification of this I get, "Well... For instance, why does the States have to be 001 in the international dialing? Answer me THAT..!" The answer... "We invented the telephone. If you want to

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I wasn't trying to imply that everyone should work in english. For starters, there are many languages besides english that use few or no non-ascii characters. But also, I was just saying that since the language *itself* is in english, how much of a difference does it make to work entirely within th

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On 05/11/2015 03:40 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 3:29 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote: As a case in point, I just opened up revNavigator from the plugins menu - and it works in 7. Indeed, if I have objects with Unicode names, revNavigator still works perfectly, displaying precis

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On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 3:29 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote: > As a case in point, I just opened up revNavigator from the plugins menu - > and it works in 7. Indeed, if I have objects with Unicode names, > revNavigator still works perfectly, displaying precisely what you would > expect. There was no n

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Again, maybe I'm unusual, but none of these apply to any of the apps I've ever written. I've done consulting work (oh so long ago) on apps that stored people's names, and likely unicode comes in handy for those, but I haven't asked the authors whether they take advantage of it. I'm not arguing aga

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I suppose so, yes. For example, Fruit Ninja: the version I have installed may use unicode, as you say, but all its characters are plain english/ascii characters. But maybe there's a Lithuanian Fruit Ninja where unicode is needed? I don't know. On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:29 AM, Monte Goulding wrote

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> I’m kind of surprised that the seller of a charting package can’t see the > potential for implementing them as widgets. Much faster to render and able to > do things like rotated text easily. > > Cheers > > Monte Sure, Widgets do things that LC can't do. I do however want LC to be able to do

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On 11/05/15 12:50, Mark Waddingham wrote: On 2015-05-11 10:34, Richmond wrote: I'm not entirely sure what "seamless" means . . . but if I open a stack authored in LC 4.5 where I have script lines like this: set the unicodeText of fld "TEKST" to numToChar(12345) things don't work. Which wa

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On 2015-05-11 10:34, Richmond wrote: I'm not entirely sure what "seamless" means . . . but if I open a stack authored in LC 4.5 where I have script lines like this: set the unicodeText of fld "TEKST" to numToChar(12345) things don't work. Which was why I qualified what I said with the term

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I'm not entirely sure what "seamless" means . . . but if I open a stack authored in LC 4.5 where I have script lines like this: set the unicodeText of fld "TEKST" to numToChar(12345) things don't work. Were I convinced of the necessity of converting my source stack of my Devawriter Pro (and m

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On 2015-05-11 02:05, Bjoernke von Gierke wrote: Adding unicode is nice, but making all text handling slower by half (sometimes even 30 times slower) is not going to convince me to start using 7 (ignoring the added stability hit compared even to current 6 versions). Especially as the only actual d

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There has got to be something serious awry when Bjoernke agrees with Richmond. Richmond. On 05/11/2015 03:05 AM, Bjoernke von Gierke wrote: There is no communication about any aspect other then widgets, which frankly, still look like an easier way to make externals to me, nothing more. How ma

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I think of myself as a developer. Everything I do these days is in-house, and has absolutely no need of unicode. The most recent thing I worked on for others is Navigator, and no one has ever asked me for a unicode version of that. The last app I worked on before that has been selling for the p

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> On 10 May 2015, at 20:39, Mark Waddingham wrote: > > will have much better performance than equivalent code written in LCS Will the rendering performance of a Widget (as opposed to the running of a script) be faster than a control currently rendered by the LC engine? So as an example, will

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On 11/05/15 09:20, Geoff Canyon wrote: On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote: Software should be unicode-compatible nowadays. This is what users and developers expect. So, I would say 100%. I think of myself as a developer. Everything I do

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> On 11 May 2015, at 4:24 pm, Geoff Canyon wrote: > > This is why I asked, hoping for a response from someone who shops the Greek > app store, or the Japanese app store. Those are the ones who would know the > percentage. What percentage are you looking for? All native apps would use unicode be

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On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Lynn Fredricks < lfredri...@proactive-intl.com> wrote: > iOS is the odd ball in that it represents not only the platform itself, but > also the means of delivery (with the exception of the weirdness Apple has > implemented for iOS corporate applications). With the

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On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Peter W A Wood wrote: > Any app using emoticons or emoji or whatever they are called will be using > Unicode. emoji, yes, but that seems like a razor-thin use case. I wonder how many apps implement their own image-based solution rather than be limited to the fe

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On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Software should be unicode-compatible nowadays. This is what users and > developers expect. So, I would say 100%. > I think of myself as a developer. Everything I do these days is in-house, and has abso

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On 11/05/15 01:46, Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Lynn Fredricks < lfredri...@proactive-intl.com> wrote: I think this one may have been a good thing. MS is retooling their OS strategy and it looks like there will be better integration and compatibility between various plat

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> I'm curious -- what percentage of the apps in the iOS or > Android app stores would you say require unicode? I'm > familiar with the iOS US app store, not Android or any of the > international versions. My impression is that in the US there > are very few apps that use unicode. I wouldn't ve

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> On 11 May 2015, at 04:49, Geoff Canyon wrote: > > I'm curious -- what percentage of the apps in the iOS or Android app stores > would you say require unicode? I'm familiar with the iOS US app store, not > Android or any of the international versions. My impression is that in the > US there are

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On Sunday, May 10, 2015, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > > Thanks very much for this. My first reaction to LCB was that I didn't want > to learn a new language and I'd just let other people do it. Then I'd use > their widgets if I needed them, just as I use externals now. You're welcome. > But now I

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On May 10, 2015 7:31:58 PM CDT, Trevor DeVore wrote: >In the hopes that it would be helpful to others looking to play around >with >widgets I wrote a little about my experience in my blog. There are 3 >posts >about Widgets right now. Perhaps they will be of interest to you. > >http://www.bluemango

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On 05/10/2015 03:46 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: What they're *actually* doing is ramping up, of all things, vacuum cleaner production. I, for one, would welcome cleaner vacuums. The speed of light slows down in the dirty ones, and then all I can watch are reruns. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gma

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> On 11 May 2015, at 10:49 am, Bjoernke von Gierke wrote: > > These are examples where previously one would have used externals. Because > unless LC itself would faciliate them, like with simpler types of GUI > objects, that's all one could do. I hear that you disagree on that, but I > still

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On Sunday, May 10, 2015, Bjoernke von Gierke wrote: > > > On 11 May 2015, at 02:31, Trevor DeVore > wrote: > > > > I have 20 or so widgets that I've written for a project I'm working on > > which add UI controls to the project. None of these make any calls to OS > > APIs. They just use the LiveC

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On May 10, 2015 7:31:58 PM CDT, Trevor DeVore wrote: >On Sunday, May 10, 2015, Bjoernke von Gierke > wrote: > >> There is no communication about any aspect other then widgets, which >> frankly, still look like an easier way to make externals to me, >nothing >> more. > > >Hi Bjoernke, > >I would su

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> On 11 May 2015, at 02:31, Trevor DeVore wrote: > > I have 20 or so widgets that I've written for a project I'm working on > which add UI controls to the project. None of these make any calls to OS > APIs. They just use the LiveCode Builder language to draw shapes, > render SVG path data, and r

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There is no communication about any aspect other then widgets, which frankly, still look like an easier way to make externals to me, nothing more. How many people actually currently make externals? about 1% of the user base, probably even less. If this is increased 5 times by some sort of "not q

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On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Paul Dupuis wrote: > Resolution Independence - DONE > Well, sort of. The next project in my queue is dealing with the wonky side affects of changing resolution on the desktop. I don't have where it's weird nailed down, but the screen coordinates just ain't rig

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On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Lynn Fredricks < lfredri...@proactive-intl.com> wrote: > I think this one may have been a good thing. MS is retooling their OS > strategy and it looks like there will be better integration and > compatibility between various platforms. > That's just the cover sto

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Geoff, Software should be unicode-compatible nowadays. This is what users and developers expect. So, I would say 100%. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 502

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On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Lynn Fredricks < lfredri...@proactive-intl.com> wrote: > > Unicode - DONE > > Im glad Paul pointed this out; its been taking some hits from people who > say > they don't need it, and that its impacting performance. > > It is a necessity for the future of LiveCode o

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The widgets are kind of nice, but I don't see them as a tool to allow me to theme my app. I see them as a tool that eventually allows me talk to the API of the OS. They are a great deal more than that. Whilst LCB will have high-level foreign code access abilities (at the moment it is still quit

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On 10/05/15 21:46, Mark Wieder wrote: On 05/10/2015 02:56 AM, Richmond wrote: Let me pause for a moment to have a few thoughts about the nature of contracts: Without disagreeing with anything else in your thoughtful missive, I'd like to point out that Kickstarter is not contract-based. You p

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1. Will all user interface objects be widgets? Yes - eventually. The current 'classic' controls will remain for backwards-compatibility purposes, but we will be augmenting them with more focused, specific widgets. For example, 'buttons' are currently push buttons, radio buttons, check boxes,

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Terence Heaford wrote: > Richard, > > Thank you for your answer but my point as an example take the > DataGrid which is currently script based. > > If this object was deemed not to be part of a “limited” set of > objects provided by LC and it was to be left to the > Community/Developer to provide

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So, surely, the clever thing would be to give end-users a choice of GUI: the "old" one or the new one. Indeed - that is most likely what will occur. -- Mark Waddingham ~ m...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps

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Richard, Thank you for your answer but my point as an example take the DataGrid which is currently script based. If this object was deemed not to be part of a “limited” set of objects provided by LC and it was to be left to the Community/Developer to provide then due to the complexity a Develo

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

Lynn Fredricks wrote: >> Unicode - DONE > > Im glad Paul pointed this out; its been taking some hits from people > who say they don't need it, and that its impacting performance. > > It is a necessity for the future of LiveCode or any development > environment for that matter. A lot of Americans

RE: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

> Unicode - DONE Im glad Paul pointed this out; its been taking some hits from people who say they don't need it, and that its impacting performance. It is a necessity for the future of LiveCode or any development environment for that matter. LiveCode and its predecessors have always been good a

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

Terence, At this point, I can't predict how useful widgets will be for me, but without promising anything, I can say that I might release widgets after some time in the same way I'm now releasing plug-ins and libraries in return for a small donation. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Econo

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