Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 10/08/2015 09:05 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote: As I said in another post (in reply to the original reply), this wasn't the intent of my post - so apologies for any mis-inference that has been took. Hee. no mis-inference here. You posted a hypothetical question, and I took the bait. No worries

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 2015-10-08 17:58, Dr. Hawkins wrote: Wow. I step away for a day and look what happens. Interesting question. I'd probably stay with previous builds and cut my ties with a company that's out of touch with its user base. I, too, would probably go searching again. The whole IDE is degrading

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Mark Waddingham wrote: > > i.e. There is was a strong hint that continued usage of the Application > Browser was related to its presence, rather than fondness. > > Essentially I was trying to determine whether it was familiarity or like > which was the issue here.

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On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > On 10/07/2015 11:54 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote: > >> So if we had deleted the app browser stack from the build, would your >> point of view have changed and would you have started to use the project >> browser? ;) >> > > Wow. I step away for a d

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+50 That about "sums it up" Jacque. ;-) Bob S > On Oct 7, 2015, at 12:58 , J. Landman Gay wrote: > > On 10/7/2015 1:22 PM, Mark Waddingham wrote: >> Far more useful would be constructive criticism of both the Project >> Browser and the Application Browser. It does seem a little 'silly' to >>

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

Right click on any header in the app browser to toggle visibility of the columns you want to display. On October 8, 2015 8:47:03 AM CDT, Martin Koob wrote: > >One question though Jacque says she uses the object IDs in the AB. I >don't >see a column for object IDs in the AB. Is it a preferen

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Ah! Ok thanks Paul. Martin -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/App-Browser-versus-Project-Browser-tp4696976p4697039.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecod

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> On 8 Oct 2015, at 06:47, Martin Koob wrote: > > One question though Jacque says she uses the object IDs in the AB. I don't > see a column for object IDs in the AB. Is it a preference to choose which > columns are shown? Right-click on the column headers in the of the AB and you should see

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

Monte Goulding wrote > > Direct integration between the project browser and the script editor would > be very nice too. Some kind of context mode in the script editor that > would switch the script in the script editor to the selected obhect with > some indication of unsaved or unset scripts on th

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

J. Landman Gay wrote > On 10/7/2015 6:20 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: >> IMO, Jacque makes a number of valid points. In the Project Browser, >> because stacks and cards are contained in the single view, a long list of >> controls will remove any stack and card references from view, while in >> the >> Ap

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I am following this discussion and I have the impression that Project Browser refers to the one in LC 7. Ali posted in a different thread (that is why I quote him here) > There may not be many immediately obvious advantages to the new property > inspector, but there are two extraordinarily sign

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I'm going to abandon AB and PB as soon as RB (Rossi Browser) is ready! ;-D On Oct 8, 2015 3:07 AM, "Monte Goulding" wrote: > > > On 8 Oct 2015, at 5:37 pm, Scott Rossi wrote: > > > > Anyway, I posted an example here that illustrates the desired options in > > LiveCode terms: good (single axis d

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I tend to use the AP more than PB. I find the 2 column layout easier to navigate and quicker for finding what I want in a larger project. In my view to make the AP better would just require. 1. A collapse button to collapse the RHS column so that the AP takes up less screen. 2. A filter field as

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> On 8 Oct 2015, at 5:37 pm, Scott Rossi wrote: > > Anyway, I posted an example here that illustrates the desired options in > LiveCode terms: good (single axis distortion) and best (irregular > distortion). http://tactilemedia.com/download/image_distortion.jpg >

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 2015-10-07 21:02, Mark Schonewille wrote: That is a strange question: if we take away something you like, would you use the one and only thing that's left? I can see how (out of context) my question could have appeared to be that, but it wasn't. The previous post had indicated the followi

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This would be awesome! Paul > On 7 Oct 2015, at 23:37, Scott Rossi wrote: > > I had to look up "affine" (dude, you're getting technical) and my > impression is this type of distortion could be useful. There appears to > be a type of transformation named "projective" which, if I understand what

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

I had to look up "affine" (dude, you're getting technical) and my impression is this type of distortion could be useful. There appears to be a type of transformation named "projective" which, if I understand what it does, would be ideal. Anyway, I posted an example here that illustrates the desir

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+1 from me Cheers Rolf > Agreed that satisfying everybody will never happen, but I would argue that > the dual-pane approach of the Application Browser can display more > information in a single view than the Project Browser. IMO, accessing > multiple stacks is more efficient using this approac

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> On 8 Oct 2015, at 2:19 pm, Scott Rossi wrote: > > As soon as we get a means to irregularly distort images, I'm all for that How do you want to distort them? There’s an underlying affine transformation these days doing angle, flip & resize so anything you can do with affine transformations i

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What Scott and Jacque wrote. I might add that it doesn’t take many controls to get confusing. Just a few modTableFields (thanks, Bernd!) that have fields named the same, and you can easily be lost. I can guess it would be even more confusing with datagrids. .Jerry > On Oct 7, 2015, at 4:20 PM,

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

Like others I find the left pane of the app browser pretty useful. I¹ve given the project browser a number of runs but usually end up returning to the app browser because of the way it displays (simply) stacks and cards. I don¹t much like the right pane of the app browser when there are lots of obj

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 10/07/2015 11:54 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote: So if we had deleted the app browser stack from the build, would your point of view have changed and would you have started to use the project browser? ;) Wow. I step away for a day and look what happens. Interesting question. I'd probably stay w

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As soon as we get a means to irregularly distort images, I'm all for that :-P Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 10/7/15, 6:38 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Roger Eller" wrote: >On Oct 7, 2015 3:02 PM, "Mark Waddingham" wrote: >> >> As an indication of

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 10/7/2015 6:20 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: IMO, Jacque makes a number of valid points. In the Project Browser, because stacks and cards are contained in the single view, a long list of controls will remove any stack and card references from view, while in the Application Browser, stacks and cards

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On Oct 7, 2015 3:02 PM, "Mark Waddingham" wrote: > > As an indication of community division it might be useful - app browser/project browser/indifferent. > > However, I'm not sure a poll would give us the information we need as it is too binary. I personally don't like either one. I rarely open

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Agreed that satisfying everybody will never happen, but I would argue that the dual-pane approach of the Application Browser can display more information in a single view than the Project Browser. IMO, accessing multiple stacks is more efficient using this approach compared to using a single scrol

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I think this thread illustrates the problem the team have trying to figure out what type of browser to implement. Everyone has their own ways of working and it's practically impossible to come up with a solution that will keep everyone happy. Perhaps the biggest divide is between the horizontal a

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IMO, Jacque makes a number of valid points. In the Project Browser, because stacks and cards are contained in the single view, a long list of controls will remove any stack and card references from view, while in the Application Browser, stacks and cards are always visible. It seems like applying

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

Monte Goulding wrote: > At one point I was thinking of making a stack browser that behaved > like the column view in the finder but then I realised that the most > annoying thing about the application browser is its use of horizontal > space. Unfortunately it’s the use of horizontal space that ma

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Hmmm, I had to bail on LC8… just not ready do deal with too many broken issues right now. I stuck in 7.1 for now… I like the project browser for several reasons (stopped using the application browser 3 months ago) 1) visual representation of objects is very helpful I 2) having the groups

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

> On 8 Oct 2015, at 8:59 am, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > > Well, all I can suggest is that LiveCode produces a hybrid > > [ chimæ ra ??? ] and see what the response is . . . > > Maybe that would be useful, but maybe LiveCode Ltd. doesn't need to build it. rIDE was nice but I think it may have su

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Richmond wrote: > Well, all I can suggest is that LiveCode produces a hybrid > [ chimæ ra ??? ] and see what the response is . . . Maybe that would be useful, but maybe LiveCode Ltd. doesn't need to build it. They have a lot of smart people writing C++ in ways beyond the skills and experience

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser (features)

On 10/7/2015 3:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 10/7/2015 1:22 PM, Mark Waddingham wrote: >> Far more useful would be constructive criticism of both the Project >> Browser and the Application Browser. It does seem a little 'silly' to >> maintain two things which serve essentially the same purpose

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I am one of the people that generally prefers the Application Browser to the Project Browser, but to be fair I don’t think I gave the PB enough attention to see any of it’s merits. Now that I’ve used the PB a little more in LC8 I have been able to get a slightly better feel for it, so I thought

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 10/7/2015 3:31 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: On Oct 7, 2015, at 12:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: That's just what I remember from the few days I tried to work with it. I'm not convinced that the current design can accomodate my work style unless it can at least be revised to show a columnar view

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I remembered another issue that prevents me from using the PB: there is no card number visible. This is actually a big deal for me. My stacks do not have named cards, they are all IDs. In the AB I can see the card number which is also displayed in my stack or, sometimes, in the titlebar. That's

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

> On Oct 7, 2015, at 12:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > That's just what I remember from the few days I tried to work with it. I'm > not convinced that the current design can accomodate my work style unless it > can at least be revised to show a columnar view rather than a linear one. > What

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 10/7/2015 1:22 PM, Mark Waddingham wrote: Far more useful would be constructive criticism of both the Project Browser and the Application Browser. It does seem a little 'silly' to maintain two things which serve essentially the same purpose - so Ali's idea is perhaps the best way forward - wha

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 07/10/15 21:54, Mark Waddingham wrote: So if we had deleted the app browser stack from the build, would your point of view have changed and would you have started to use the project browser? ;) When I finally got to look at a LiveCode 8 build after a week's hiatus with various computer pro

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As an indication of community division it might be useful - app browser/project browser/indifferent. However, I'm not sure a poll would give us the information we need as it is too binary. It's not about preference as such it's about having a component which serves everyone's needs. The reali

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

That is a strange question: if we take away something you like, would you use the one and only thing that's left? I think you need to be a little careful with that. While some people might use whatever tool is available, some other people will decide to use a different tool (like me), but yet

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 07/10/15 21:54, Mark Schonewille wrote: What about making a poll? +1 Richmond. Mark Schonewille http://economy-x-talk.com Buy the most extensive book on the LiveCode language: http://livecodebeginner.economy-x-talk.com Op 10/7/2015 om 20:43 schreef Mark Waddingham: Seriously, no need

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On 07/10/15 21:43, Mark Waddingham wrote: Seriously, no need to feel hot about the collar :) There are definitely people who do not like the project browser - that is clear. I'd also suggest that there are people who don't like the application browser. So - let us assume that it costs a good d

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

So if we had deleted the app browser stack from the build, would your point of view have changed and would you have started to use the project browser? ;) Sent from my iPhone > On 7 Oct 2015, at 19:46, Richmond wrote: > >> On 07/10/15 21:40, Mark Waddingham wrote: >> Indeed - but I don't think

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

What about making a poll? Mark Schonewille http://economy-x-talk.com Buy the most extensive book on the LiveCode language: http://livecodebeginner.economy-x-talk.com Op 10/7/2015 om 20:43 schreef Mark Waddingham: Seriously, no need to feel hot about the collar :) There are definitely people w

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On 07/10/15 21:40, Mark Waddingham wrote: Indeed - but I don't think your tone of phrase was using it in that exact manner? ;) By the way, I'm smiling here - it is a useful conversation to have if it is constructive. Either app browser bashing or project browser bashing isn't particularly use

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

Seriously, no need to feel hot about the collar :) There are definitely people who do not like the project browser - that is clear. I'd also suggest that there are people who don't like the application browser. So - let us assume that it costs a good deal of time to maintain both and thus havin

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

Indeed - but I don't think your tone of phrase was using it in that exact manner? ;) By the way, I'm smiling here - it is a useful conversation to have if it is constructive. Either app browser bashing or project browser bashing isn't particularly useful to my mind. What is useful is getting t

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 07/10/15 21:22, Mark Waddingham wrote: On 2015-10-07 20:08, Richmond wrote: Well, it seems that the "people" are speaking with one voice over here: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=25503 So, as an experiment in participatory democracy, and whether RunRev/LiveCode REALLY listen

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 07/10/15 21:22, Mark Waddingham wrote: On 2015-10-07 20:08, Richmond wrote: Well, it seems that the "people" are speaking with one voice over here: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=25503 So, as an experiment in participatory democracy, and whether RunRev/LiveCode REALLY listen

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 2015-10-07 20:08, Richmond wrote: Well, it seems that the "people" are speaking with one voice over here: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=25503 So, as an experiment in participatory democracy, and whether RunRev/LiveCode REALLY listen to their installed customer base, Please g