Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-21 Thread Peter Brigham MD
On May 21, 2011, at 4:13 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: > On 19/05/2011 19:50, Richmond Mathewson wrote: >> >> My father (78-9) touched the 'update' thing on Ubuntu and fairly >> effectively hosed his >> laptop; now into week 4 of a trans-Europe (England-Bulgaria) e-mail >> attempt to "unhose" >> thing

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-21 Thread Martin Baxter
On 19/05/2011 19:50, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > > My father (78-9) touched the 'update' thing on Ubuntu and fairly > effectively hosed his > laptop; now into week 4 of a trans-Europe (England-Bulgaria) e-mail > attempt to "unhose" > things . . . I've done that with ubuntu too, the impressive par

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-20 Thread -=>JB<=-
Being self taught does not make you a genius. Either you have a high IQ or you don't and the results of teaching yourself will come from the abilities you already have. She may have been exceeding all of her expectations by being able to surf the web at all. -=>JB<=- On May 20, 2011, at 1:36 P

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-20 Thread Bob Sneidar
I suppose you are right. I remember when I was working on cars, no one ever told me how to take a spark plug out, so I would break off the tip then dig the rest out with a screwdriver and hammer. I couldn't understand why the other mechanics thought me an idiot. I just never found the need in my

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-20 Thread -=>JB<=-
In the girls defense it shows either she is self taught and hasn't found the need in her life to learn that or she has had eight years of lousy teachers. Either way is she the one to blame of should she be given credit for what she has been able to do for the last eight years without proper help f

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-20 Thread Bob Sneidar
Just yesterday a gal who has been using a computer for 8 years called me and wanted to know how to get to a web site. So I told her what the address was. She said, "I typed that in but I get a whole lot of weird stuff." So I asked her, "Are you doing a Google search?" She said, "Yes Google." I

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread Judy Perry
Ha! I've got that one nearly beat. I worked my way through school doing DOS word processing for real estate appraisers (including that wonderful WordAwful program that dumped you into an entirely blank screen). I'd save project files onto 5-1/4" floppies... that my boss would later put a pee

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread Andre Garzia
oh I also so a student at my university asking the other guy: "how do I download an intel core 2 duo, my processor is too slow and I want to download a better one from the net..." On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > my father saw one of the executive secretaries to the preside

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread Andre Garzia
my father saw one of the executive secretaries to the president of the company staple a floppy disk and some papers together so that they would not go missing... On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:27 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 5/19/11 8:08 PM, Judy Perry wrote: > > So, this term -- >> > > You should

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 5/19/11 8:08 PM, Judy Perry wrote: So, this term -- You should write a book. Then tell all your students that they have to read it as part of their classwork. And then tell them that if they don't read it, you'll put *them* into the next edition. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay |

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread Judy Perry
While I wouldn't say people deserve to get a virus, every day I show up for work amazes me with the stupid stuff students/consumers think and do with computers. So, this term -- these are non-CS majors -- we talked about doing data backups. Eyes rolled into the backs of their skulls. We talk

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread Judy Perry
The student stories I could tell you... Judy On Thu, 19 May 2011, Bob Sneidar wrote: What is scary is that anyone who owns a mac would believe their computer got infected and click the Cleanup button. What is even scarier is that I had to replace the keyboard of an accounting user recently w

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 5/19/11 2:33 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: I think it's the 23th allele on the Y chromosome at work. Or similar. LOL! I knew it was a guy thing. "23th" indeed. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.c

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread Bob Sneidar
Sonds good to me. But I wasn't being condescending. My point was that it scares me that there are so many people who will click that button, even after all the news coverage of malware and the wealth of information out there about how to protect yourself. I guess it scares me because no matter h

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread David C.
> Thanks for the personal example on the subject. > > Bob Hey, no problemo, Bob... I knew you would appreciate it. ;) Listen guys... I understand the position that each of you have taken and am not 100% opposed to your theory about relative safety in regards to OS. We *all* live in an age of risk

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread Bob Sneidar
Thanks for the personal example on the subject. Bob On May 19, 2011, at 12:25 PM, David C. wrote: > Touched a different nerve. Sorry for another soapbox > > "What is scary is that anyone who owns a mac would believe their > computer got infected " > > "Most mac users are informed eno

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread stephen barncard
> > Is that something that requires hard work or does it just come naturally? It requires hard work, my friend. This is about tough love. I was an involuntary mac computer tech support person for 13 years. My attitude after that experience was that people should just eventually learn how to cook

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 05/19/2011 10:33 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: I think it's the 23th allele on the Y chromosome at work. Or similar. Hairy-chested computers ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsub

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 05/19/2011 10:25 PM, David C. wrote: Touched a different nerve. Sorry for another soapbox "What is scary is that anyone who owns a mac would believe their computer got infected " "Most mac users are informed enough about this stuff to ignore it anyway" "Virus protection is just

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread Björnke von Gierke
I think it's the 23th allele on the Y chromosome at work. Or similar. On 19 May 2011, at 21:25, David C. wrote: > Touched a different nerve. Sorry for another soapbox > > "What is scary is that anyone who owns a mac would believe their > computer got infected " > > "Most mac users are i

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread David C.
Touched a different nerve. Sorry for another soapbox "What is scary is that anyone who owns a mac would believe their computer got infected " "Most mac users are informed enough about this stuff to ignore it anyway" "Virus protection is just not needed at all on most macs if one just

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Roger Eller wrote: >> Anyway, if you've downloaded and installed this thing, then you get what >> you deserve. > > I don't believe that anyone DESERVES to get a virus. There are > newbies (noobs) even to the intuitive Mac OS. There are innocent > little grandmothers that got a Mac min

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 05/19/2011 09:47 PM, stephen barncard wrote: I turned off all automatic updates on her machine then I told my mother to NEVER install anything, to always call me first and that I would help her take care of it using screen sharing. My father (78-9) touched the 'update' thing on Ubuntu and fa

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread stephen barncard
I turned off all automatic updates on her machine then I told my mother to NEVER install anything, to always call me first and that I would help her take care of it using screen sharing. She did, and she was very alert for anomalies after that. Screen sharing is a great thing for helping aging par

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread stephen barncard
I meant when one works hard at ignoring the warnings, one gets what one deserves. There are many situations where one can't be protected from one's own errors. On 19 May 2011 11:24, Roger Eller wrote: > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:08 PM, stephen barncard > wrote: > > Touched a nerve. Sorry for t

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread Bob Sneidar
While I agree mostly with Stephen, I think "deserve" is probably the wrong word. "Inevitable" comes to mind, as in it's inevitable that a person who in this day and age does not know to NOT click anything in a webpage that says he is infected, will get some kind of malware at some point in time.

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 5/19/11 1:08 PM, stephen barncard wrote: Anyway, if you've downloaded and installed this thing, then you get what you deserve. Any app I'm going to install or buy will have to be investigated first before I let it touch my hard drive. I want to agree in general, but we're not completely repr

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread Roger Eller
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:08 PM, stephen barncard wrote: > Touched a nerve. Sorry for the soapbox. > > Actually most mac users are USED to seeing these cheezy popups which always > lie and the ads usually refer to Windows (the links are zip files that fail > harmlessly). > > Most mac users are inf

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread stephen barncard
Touched a nerve. Sorry for the soapbox. Actually most mac users are USED to seeing these cheezy popups which always lie and the ads usually refer to Windows (the links are zip files that fail harmlessly). Most mac users are informed enough about this stuff to ignore it anyway. The fact that ther

Re: [OT] MacDefender

2011-05-19 Thread Bob Sneidar
What is scary is that anyone who owns a mac would believe their computer got infected and click the Cleanup button. What is even scarier is that I had to replace the keyboard of an accounting user recently who didn't think it at all odd to pop out staples above her keyboard. She thought it made