The problem was the lack of any mouseUp message at all when swiping
horizontally, making it impossible to swipe for navigation over a scroller.
We used a kludgy workaround, but the problem has been fixed now, so the
next update can be completely cross platform without any diversions.
--
Jacque
man Gay via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 3:08 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: J. Landman Gay
Subject: Re: Cross Platform Font Layout - current workarounds
On August 25, 2020 7:47:00 PM "Sean Cole \(Pi\) via use-livecode"
wrote:
>
> The projects deadline was Monday m
J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Any bugs you found are certainly based in fact, as you've shown.
That an anomaly is evident is known. The cause and possible remedies,
however, remain open questions.
Though I briefly dabbled in sending hand-written Postscript to my laser
printer back in the day (who d
On August 25, 2020 7:47:00 PM "Sean Cole \(Pi\) via use-livecode"
wrote:
The projects deadline was Monday morning, which was completed. It doesn't
take away from the fact that next time I will face it all again because LC
won't fix the fundamentals. They don't live up to their promises. They
I’ll chime in on this issue — for the benefit of others who may be wondering
what is going on in this list.
All existing bugs in LiveCode going back to the distant past could possibly be
fixed, and display discrepancies resolved, if LiveCode the company dramatically
increased its revenue from g
Chill, dude?
ok, one of the cool things about LiveCode is instead of writing
your program in Swift, Jave, or C, etc. is that you can easily
include any of these languages in a LiveCode app. I don’t
know of another programming tool that allows you to do that
and do it on various os’s. Xcode allows
Sean Cole
Still no apologies.
Hey, you are starting to disrespect my friends and I’m not digging it. They
have done nothing other than bend over backwards to try to help and your
bad attitude and rudeness is crossing the line.
Remember the main rule here, no politics, religion or cheese and you,
Rather than puke all over my keyboard, I am now forced to make a rule sending
all emails with this address to the trash. I hate doing this, I really thought
things would just calm down. I don’t think that will happen now.
Bob S
> On Aug 25, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
>
Reminds me of HTML. All platform consistency in display… until Microsoft and
Netscape decided to do it “better”. It begs the question, is it better to be
consistent with everyone else’s standards, or better to be… well… better?
Bob S
On Aug 25, 2020, at 5:40 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Here are some test screenshots to begin getting to the bottom (or baseline)
of the issue.
Mark claims that how they appear in WordPad and TextEdit are how it should
appear in LC. Lets test that. Here's WordPad in Windows (native). Arial
then the custom OTF font I was using both at 40pt
https://ww
Sean Cole wrote:
> Spelling it out to you, here are all of the related bug reports.
> Confirmed bug reports. Confirmed they are bugs. Bugs that Can and
> Should be fixed. It won't take 10s of 1000s of $ as whatshisface
> Gaskin made it seem.
Embedding a replacement font rendering subsystem to by
Thanks Matthias,
Your comments are appreciated.
The projects deadline was Monday morning, which was completed. It doesn't
take away from the fact that next time I will face it all again because LC
won't fix the fundamentals. They don't live up to their promises. They LIE
(Jacque won't accept it,
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 00:46, JB via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> Well it sounds like some of them expected you to get off the ship,
> and to do that by walking the plank.
Nice. Community
Sean Cole
*Pi Digital*
___
use-livecod
Sean,
As much i understand the pressure you feel to finalize your project, the less i
understand why every post of you sounds rude.
What do you want to accomplish with such posts and what do you want to hear
from us?
You can't expect that everyone on this list shares your opinion.
I do not th
Well it sounds like some of them expected you to get off the ship,
and to do that by walking the plank.
JB
> On Aug 25, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> Of course I'm going to respond badly to this kind
> of bullying. What did you all expect!
>
> Sean Cole
> *Pi
Se my notes on the other thread about OTF fonts. THEY ARE DESIGNED to be
the SAME in ANY platform (except browsers coz they don't accept them. They
have their own variance.
Stop making excuses. Accept I am right, for FS. I didn't create the fault.
I'm not even the first to report it. It's there! I
Mark,
thanks for the response although only partially addressing the issue. That
article (the first one to come up on a google search, so well done on your
'research') is aimed at web layout in a browser. NOTHING to do with desktop
platform rendering which is a wholly different subject. And the wr
Mark,
Although i am not the original creator of this topic, I think this really is a
very interesting article.
But there is a caveeat. The licensing of commercial fonts very often does not
allow modification of the font.
And if in the rare case the modification is allowed, then normally it is o
I’ll toss this in. I was using a Mac font that had a Windows corollary (I
thought) but when I dug deeper I found that the Mac had individual type faces
whereas the Windows equivalent did not. This font was a BUILT-IN font on both
platforms!
The result is if I chose the bold version of the font
On 2020-08-24 21:49, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:
My client provided the font they needed in line with their tv show
brand.
They need the app to work both PC and Mac. It seems I have to manually
go
through each field, button and widget and make sure they are laid out
properly. The lef
Sean Cole wrote:
> I assume (dangerously) from your reply that you do not have to make
> real world applications for corporate branded customers. Where design
> has been done by a branding team with a 12 - 120 page Production
> guide). Someone like the BBC
A good way to analyze a problem is
Sean-
My degree is in TV/stage production and digital design. I’ve built web sites
(HTML, WordPress, LiveCode), produced/directed broadcast and streaming
programs, and delivered custom software on Mac/PC/Web (using Director and
Flash), and now Mac/PC/iOS/Android using LiveCode (because you’re r
Feck ONE of the sticking points. There are a crap load of hoops I have to
jump through to make them work cross platform. The font thing is just my
latest little annoyance that puts me up on my soap box. I've been truly
shafted by the plethora of fekkin' NON-CODE-ONCE stuff we HAVE to do to
make the
Thanks for your suggestion, Bob. Any pointers?
As I said in my very last post, I DID A PAINFUL AMOUNT OF RESEARCH INTO THE
BEST SOLUTIONS FOR HIM AND THE OTHERS. Saying 'I'm sure there are...'
doesn't make them suddenly spring up, especially considering we are so
invested into LC as it is!! Like,
No: it isn't exactly 'Code once' but it does come pretty near it.
Obviously one of the sticking points is to do with fonts.
My experience with cross-platform development does NOT involve
having to write for each OS. What it has involved is what one might describe
as tweaking and cleaning-up for
I’m sure there are other development environments out there you could explore.
Bob S
On Aug 24, 2020, at 9:02 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
It's hardly 'Code Once' then. You absolutely HAVE to write for each OS
specifically. Livecode DOES NOT
On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 at 15:35, Paul Pystcat via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> 6. If you continue to use a hammer instead of a screwdriver, you WILL get
> the job done… but then don’t curse the wood for damaging
>
In your illustration, who is the wood? LC? Surely they ar
1. AND a great movie!
2. Correct.. most SHOULD
3. and 4. I honestly don’t know, which is why I asked. If something was giving
me as much grief for as often and as long as the OP has ranted about, on
multiple occaisions, I would make my life easier and abandon ship. Why pull
your hair out..? I
You are certainly correct about the non-materialising assurances (pace
the fund-raiser a few years back where almost none of the stretch goals
materialised) and the begging for money. Recently LiveCode was
effectively bankrupt and moved from its (needlessly) expensive offices
in the centre of E
Hi Mike
I agree. But if you are providing the identical, Paid for font (and those
things aren’t cheap to a tv programme maker) then you would expect them to
show up in the same place in the text field from one platform to another. I
just don’t get that it’s been 15 years and they still can’t g
Paul
It’s a reasonable question so I’ll afford it the dignity it deserves. Here’s
the thing. With thousands of £ invested in them including when they beg for
money to help them out during times of distress you end up almost locked into
their ecosystem. Besides, my main bread and butter client i
this has always been a problem with multiple development tools, at least
for as long as I can remember x-platform development tools and WYSIWYG
being a thing, so Win 95, and MacOS 6 or 7 (uh...7?). I agree it would be
great if LC would try harder, since the goal is to make the developer's
life eas
Well; let's consider that suggestion:
1. The Holy Grail was an abstract idea dreamt up by the Knights Templars.
2. Most people have worked out by the time they are about 35 that
perfection is a dangerous illusion.
3. "Years of hell": Why do you suppose the OP has stuck with LiveCode
for the
I really have to ask… if you are having such problems that are so
insurmountable using LiveCode, then why not just abandon ship…? Seriously. If
this is such a showstopper, why not find another language that will do exactly
what you want..? Don’t waste any more of your time. Do it. You may
Not a dangerous assumption at all, I assure you.
I do sympathise:
I made many applications for the United Arab Emirates University about
22 years ago (HyperCard & Toolbook) and
was constantly falling foul of my bosses who knew nothing of the
exigencies of either MacOS 8.1 or Windows NT,
and fa
I wondered how Java dealt with the issue of rendering fonts across
platforms. It seems they have (had) the same problems you are experiencing.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12202758/how-to-make-java-swing-application-has-a-consistent-font-in-windows-and-linux
https://stackoverflow.com/quest
Not Fridge, Fork.
I assume (dangerously) from your reply that you do not have to make real world
applications for corporate branded customers. Where design has been done by a
branding team with a 12 - 120 page Production guide). Someone like the BBC,
Channel 4, NBC, or their subsidiaries. Like
Well: stew my foot and call me "Brenda" . . .
https://youtu.be/sLeG7gxIJx4
those 2 pictures look extremely similar to me.
I, frankly, never worry about fonts in things like that cross-platform
for the very, very simple reason that I set up the thing the way I want on
the platform I'm working on
It's hardly 'Code Once' then. You absolutely HAVE to write for each OS
specifically. Livecode DOES NOT pull up the slack and make it work
cross-platform identically as insinuated in their homepage.
Yet again, everyone happy to make excuses in accepting their fate to have
to do all the work twice.
On August 24, 2020 5:01:54 PM "Sean Cole \(Pi\) via use-livecode"
wrote:
The font IS embedded. Not a problem using the font itself. It is the same
physical font on the two platforms. That's not what I'm asking when you
read past paragraph one.
HowTF do you get them to show up in the same 'fin
Sean Cole wrote:
> What is the current 'workaround' everyone is using when creating a
> cross-platform app to make sure that all text appears the same
> regardless of platform? Particularly between Windows and Mac for
> me at the moment.
Font metrics will differ between OSes because the underlyi
Hi Richmond, buddy.
The font IS embedded. Not a problem using the font itself. It is the same
physical font on the two platforms. That's not what I'm asking when you
read past paragraph one.
HowTF do you get them to show up in the same 'fin place though (ie, the
pixel placement of the text itself
How about embedding your fonts in the standalone?
On 24.08.20 23:49, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:
Hi all,
What is the current 'workaround' everyone is using when creating a
cross-platform app to make sure that all text appears the same regardless
of platform? Particularly between Wind
Hi all,
What is the current 'workaround' everyone is using when creating a
cross-platform app to make sure that all text appears the same regardless
of platform? Particularly between Windows and Mac for me at the moment.
My client provided the font they needed in line with their tv show brand.
Th
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