Rather than puke all over my keyboard, I am now forced to make a rule sending all emails with this address to the trash. I hate doing this, I really thought things would just calm down. I don’t think that will happen now.
Bob S > On Aug 25, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Thanks Matthias, > > Your comments are appreciated. > > The projects deadline was Monday morning, which was completed. It doesn't > take away from the fact that next time I will face it all again because LC > won't fix the fundamentals. They don't live up to their promises. They LIE > (Jacque won't accept it, but they make many claims on their site and to me > in person that simply are proven false). I'm just tired of people making me > out to be irrelevant and any claim I make to be false. They make claims of > their own which in turn are unfounded in any reality. [sigh] Of course I > will get upset at that kind of treatment from the same old abusers. They're > the same ones who drove me to topping myself last time. Nice, community > spirit of 'assume he's wrong, attack and make out LC can do no wrong' then > push him out and hope he rots! > > Thanks a bunch > > Sean Cole > *Pi Digital * > > *PS - *(see, I am 'nice' to those who are deserving of respect. If you're > not getting the respect, perhaps you need to consider the relevance and > validity of what you have said). > > On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 00:58, matthias rebbe via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> Sean, >> >> As much i understand the pressure you feel to finalize your project, the >> less i understand why every post of you sounds rude. >> What do you want to accomplish with such posts and what do you want to >> hear from us? >> You can't expect that everyone on this list shares your opinion. >> I do not think that your behavior is very helpful. But anyway that's your >> decision. >> >> I really wish you can complete the project successfully. >> >> Take care of yourself. >> >> Matthias >> >> >> >>> Am 26.08.2020 um 01:36 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode < >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>: >>> >>> Se my notes on the other thread about OTF fonts. THEY ARE DESIGNED to be >>> the SAME in ANY platform (except browsers coz they don't accept them. >> They >>> have their own variance. >>> >>> Stop making excuses. Accept I am right, for FS. I didn't create the >> fault. >>> I'm not even the first to report it. It's there! It's real. Stop arguing >>> and help me get LC to pull their fingers out their posteriors and fix >> these >>> damned mistakes that have been around for years!! Why does no one pull >>> behind me, but just point the finger at me assuming I'm in the wrong for >>> highlighting a bug that is clearly already accepted? It astounds me, it >>> really does! You tell me off for getting angry about it but it is purely >>> because everyone has made out the OTF fonts aren't designed to appear the >>> same. They should. They don't. They should. But they don't! It needs >>> fixing. Simple as that. Of course I'm going to respond badly to this kind >>> of bullying. What did you all expect! >>> >>> Sean Cole >>> *Pi Digital * >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 at 23:04, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I’ll toss this in. I was using a Mac font that had a Windows corollary >> (I >>>> thought) but when I dug deeper I found that the Mac had individual type >>>> faces whereas the Windows equivalent did not. This font was a BUILT-IN >> font >>>> on both platforms! >>>> >>>> The result is if I chose the bold version of the font for something >> like a >>>> Header or a Label, it wouldn’t be either the font chosen OR bold in >>>> Windows, although it looks absolutely fine on the Mac. >>>> >>>> The Livecode devs CANNOT take liberties with this sort of thing! What >> can >>>> they do?? Write code that guesses what it was the developer was trying >> to >>>> do? It’s absurd to think this is even a problem that CAN be solved at >> the >>>> application level. >>>> >>>> THAT BEING SAID… >>>> What I DID do successfully was find an app that was able to CONVERT the >>>> Mac font type faces into WINDOWS font files, and then I was able to >> install >>>> them in Windows and I got pretty much what I expected to get. >>>> >>>> Bob S >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Aug 25, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via >>>> use-livecode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Sean- >>>>> >>>>> My degree is in TV/stage production and digital design. I’ve built web >>>> sites (HTML, WordPress, LiveCode), produced/directed broadcast and >>>> streaming programs, and delivered custom software on Mac/PC/Web (using >>>> Director and Flash), and now Mac/PC/iOS/Android using LiveCode (because >>>> you’re right, the HTML5 port isn’t ready for primetime). >>>>> >>>>> Anyone who thinks pixel perfection across mediums is possible has never >>>> worked on a web platform; this usually ends up being UI designers who >> only >>>> work in theoreticals. That InDesign file they mocked up might look great >>>> saved as a PDF or printed on a specific coated paper using Pantone inks, >>>> but those CMYK colors and Post Script fonts are rendered using RGB and >> WOFF >>>> in a web browser or desktop computer so they won’t look the same: and >>>> there’s not a damn thing you can do about it (short of making >> everything an >>>> image, but you still can’t make-up for the color gamut differences). The >>>> WYSWIG hacks that sufficed in the 90s/00s to make things visually >> similar >>>> were always shoddy at-best creating hundreds of additional lines of code >>>> and won’t pass muster with current accessibility standards even if they >> did >>>> "work". >>>>> >>>>> Fonts have ALWAYS been one of the most difficult parts of app >>>> development. Whether it’s getting legal fonts (the good ones aren’t >> cheap, >>>> and the cheap ones aren’t good), or cross-platform fonts (not every OS >>>> reads the same format, and not every font is available in multiple >>>> formats). The closest I’ve come has been to run some scripts when >>>> populating text fields to make sure they fit the dimensions allotted in >> the >>>> design. Text doesn’t fit in box? Reduce the fontSize by 1 until it does. >>>> Text doesn’t fill the space? Increase the fontSize by 1 until it does. >> It’s >>>> a PITA, so I usually add this in at the end since the art department >> seems >>>> to have another “small change” along the way. >>>>> >>>>> Programming isn't a science as much as an art. With your broadcasting >>>> background you understand that a projects aren’t “done” until the >> deadline: >>>> there is ALWAYS something else you would have tweaked if you had more >> time >>>> (2 weeks?!?). But I get it: producers are generally unreasonable >> eggplant >>>> emojis that are notoriously difficult to please. >>>>> >>>>> While LiveCode DOES require some if platform() conditionals, I can only >>>> imagine coding this in Swift and Java (even for a unicorn proficient in >>>> BOTH) would still take much longer and NOT give the pixel perfection you >>>> are referring to. I say “imagine” because I don’t know, and never had to >>>> learn, those languages since I could easily pick-up LiveCode from the >>>> various programming environments I’ve previously developed for. My copy >> of >>>> Microsoft Windows looks different on my iMac than it does on my Dell, >> and >>>> it wasn’t a fireable offense for the development team. >>>>> >>>>> —Andrew Bell >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
