Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-31 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 09/01/2011 01:28 AM, Timothy Miller wrote: On Aug 31, 2011, at 3:35 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 08/31/2011 12:32 PM, Keith Clarke wrote: For any techniques to succeed requires a willingness is that, participant have to closed minds (and the frequently associated clenched fists) can h

RE: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-31 Thread John Dixon
This thread has got a little silly... Eric Idle probably has it all summed up in the last two lines of the 'galaxy song'.. and pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space, 'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth! Dixie > On Aug 31, 2011, at 3:35 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-31 Thread Timothy Miller
On Aug 31, 2011, at 3:35 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > On 08/31/2011 12:32 PM, Keith Clarke wrote: >> For any techniques to succeed requires a willingness is that, participant >> have to closed minds (and the frequently associated clenched fists) can hold >> nothing value - just a tight grip

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-31 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 08/31/2011 12:32 PM, Keith Clarke wrote: For any techniques to succeed requires a willingness is that, participant have to closed minds (and the frequently associated clenched fists) can hold nothing value - just a tight grip on empty dogma that provides the ego with the illusion of certai

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-31 Thread Keith Clarke
For any techniques to succeed requires a willingness is that, participant have to closed minds (and the frequently associated clenched fists) can hold nothing value - just a tight grip on empty dogma that provides the ego with the illusion of certainty. Best, Keith.. On 30 Aug 2011, at 21:47,

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-30 Thread Bob Sneidar
Looks like a toolbox full of tools that specialize in opening locked boxes, one of the tools being the key that unlocks that particular box. That key, in this analogy, is the willingness of all those involved to change their minds if they have to, in order to get to the bottom of things. Bar tha

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-30 Thread Keith Clarke
In this context, IBIS = Issue-Based Information System. Compendium is a great general hypertext-based mapping tool - useful for building concept-maps and mind-maps - with the nifty feature of transclusion (define nodes once, use them often across the maps). It is used by many for dialogue-map

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-30 Thread James Little
Keith, Thanks for the info on "Wicked" problems and Compendium. What is "IBIS" in this context? I too am intrigued at the thought of applying LiveCode tools to such problems. Strengths of LiveCode that seem relevant include: rapid development, relative shallow learning curve for new users

RE: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-29 Thread Judy Perry
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011, Camm wrote: This topic has been quite interesting and narrow minded ... Education systems in my experience has nothing to with the ability to grasp computing or software development. --For more on that topic, see this very interesting and short article by Sherry

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-29 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 08/29/2011 11:32 PM, Keith Clarke wrote: I wonder if there is any opportunity to apply the obvious intelligence within the LiveCode community (and LiveCode technologies) to help analyse and/or resolve some of these wicked problems facing society - where there is no magic bullet and the 'bes

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-29 Thread Keith Clarke
I wonder if there is any opportunity to apply the obvious intelligence within the LiveCode community (and LiveCode technologies) to help analyse and/or resolve some of these wicked problems facing society - where there is no magic bullet and the 'best' answer is always the least of all evils.

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-29 Thread Maarten Koopmans
On Sunday, August 28, 2011, Petrides, M.D. Marian wrote: > Hmmm... sounds suspiciously like "No Child Left Behind" here in the States. The sad thing on our side of the pond is that NCLB worked so well (NOT!) that they have decided to apply its principles to graduate medical education. The scary t

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-29 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 08/29/2011 08:34 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Some define success in education as making sure every child has the same success as every other. Others define it as giving any child the best education they can. This is why some of you say public education is failing, and others say it is succeeding

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-29 Thread Timothy Miller
On Aug 29, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Camm wrote: > This topic has been quite interesting and narrow minded ... In essence, intelligence represents the rate at which a person learns. For instance the average elementary school child learns to read at the rate of one academic year per chronologica

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-29 Thread Bob Sneidar
Some define success in education as making sure every child has the same success as every other. Others define it as giving any child the best education they can. This is why some of you say public education is failing, and others say it is succeeding. You are defining your terms differently.

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-29 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 08/29/2011 07:52 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Eh?? :-) Bob On Aug 28, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: If sschool kids cannot spell You got me there; by the seat of the pants . . . :) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.ru

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-29 Thread Richmond Mathewson
ls without it. Of course; God bless you . . . :) Camm -Original Message- From: use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Richmond Mathewson Sent: 29 August 2011 07:28 To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-29 Thread Bob Sneidar
Eh?? :-) Bob On Aug 28, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > If sschool kids cannot spell ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:

RE: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-29 Thread Camm
ubject: Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain On 08/29/2011 06:08 AM, Timothy Miller wrote: > On Aug 28, 2011, at 7:02 PM, Judy Perry wrote: > >> Don't EVEN get me started on my students... >> Judy > I'll get you started, Judy. Maybe the catharsis will do you good. > > Both my k

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-28 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 08/29/2011 06:08 AM, Timothy Miller wrote: On Aug 28, 2011, at 7:02 PM, Judy Perry wrote: Don't EVEN get me started on my students... Judy I'll get you started, Judy. Maybe the catharsis will do you good. Both my kids went to a community college, and both got pretty good educations. Both

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-28 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 08/29/2011 02:55 AM, Timothy Miller wrote: On Aug 28, 2011, at 12:31 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Frankly I don't really care about fairness that much; has life been "fair" to you, has it been "fair" to me? A silly question which has no real answer (probably because the word, 'fair', at i

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-28 Thread Timothy Miller
On Aug 28, 2011, at 7:02 PM, Judy Perry wrote: > Don't EVEN get me started on my students... > Judy I'll get you started, Judy. Maybe the catharsis will do you good. Both my kids went to a community college, and both got pretty good educations. Both have been successful academically after comp

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-28 Thread Judy Perry
Don't EVEN get me started on my students... Judy On Sun, 28 Aug 2011, Petrides, M.D. Marian wrote: Hmmm... sounds suspiciously like "No Child Left Behind" here in the States. The sad thing on our side of the pond is that NCLB worked so well (NOT!) that they have decided to apply its principl

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-28 Thread Timothy Miller
On Aug 28, 2011, at 12:31 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Frankly I don't really care about fairness that much; has life been "fair" to > you, has it been "fair" to me? A silly question which has no real answer > (probably because the word, 'fair', at its centre is almost semantically > empty).

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-28 Thread Dave McKee
It's a situation not limited to the UK, it's the same here in Canada Hodie Non Cras On 2011-08-28, at 12:46 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14683133 > > doesn't frankly surprise me; after all "Being British" is all about dumbing > down things to the lowest common

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-28 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 08/28/2011 10:25 PM, FlexibleLearning wrote: After 20+ years in secondary school, don't even get me started. With you, Richmond, 100%. Which is why I left. Congratulations. I have started my own mini-institution that is frighteningly selective, frighteningly elitist, and doesn't suffer moro

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-28 Thread Richmond Mathewson
>There are some fundamental philosophical contradictions between "meritocracy" >and "fairness." Society -- in the US, UK and elsewhere -- is not prepared to deal with >these difficult issues and generally chooses to ignore the problem. Have a nice day, >Tim Miller Indeed there are some fundame

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-28 Thread FlexibleLearning
After 20+ years in secondary school, don't even get me started. With you, Richmond, 100%. Which is why I left. Hugh Senior FLCo Richmond Mathewson wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14683133 doesn't frankly surprise me; after all "Being British" is all about dumbing down things to the lowest

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-28 Thread Timothy Miller
On Aug 28, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14683133 > > doesn't frankly surprise me; after all "Being British" is all about dumbing > down things to the lowest common denominator; education, over-regulation > (after all, if 5% of the population are mor

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-28 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 08/28/2011 09:12 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14683133 doesn't frankly surprise me; after all "Being British" is all about dumbing down things to the lowest common denominator; education, over-regulation (after all, if 5% of the population are morons the government m

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-28 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 08/28/2011 08:56 PM, John Dixon wrote: Richmond... You often make me smile when you vent about something that obviously gets right up your nose... Well, I'm glad I make somebody smile . . . :) Mind you, if I didn't I might smite you over the head with my slide-rule . . . :) so, I tho

RE: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-28 Thread Lynn Fredricks
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14683133 > > doesn't frankly surprise me; after all "Being British" is all > about dumbing down things to the lowest common denominator; > education, over-regulation (after all, if 5% of the > population are morons the government must screw up > everybody's life

RE: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-28 Thread John Dixon
Richmond... You often make me smile when you vent about something that obviously gets right up your nose... so, I thought I would feed give you the link to a little story about some people who are obviously morons... they go by the names of Mark Smith and Dan Abelow... and I'm sat here laughin

Re: [OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-28 Thread Petrides, M.D. Marian
Hmmm... sounds suspiciously like "No Child Left Behind" here in the States. The sad thing on our side of the pond is that NCLB worked so well (NOT!) that they have decided to apply its principles to graduate medical education. The scary thing is that we Boomers will be the recipients of this wo

[OT] Mediocre Britain

2011-08-28 Thread Richmond Mathewson
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14683133 doesn't frankly surprise me; after all "Being British" is all about dumbing down things to the lowest common denominator; education, over-regulation (after all, if 5% of the population are morons the government must screw up everybody's life by regulating t