Re: OS EOL (was: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC)

An older system offline could be useful for many things. People have used old computers even to get paralyzed people back in the game with speech. It could also run special projects, education or a kiosk. Be careful though. A new system fully patched still could be risky online if people al

Re: OS EOL (was: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC)

Bob Sneidar wrote: > Each of these Mac OS exploits require that the end user install > something on their computer, or allow it. As far as the doorstop > comparison, well that comment is a bit of a red herring now isn't it? > Brand new computers with current AV definitions and a completely > upda

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

>From the keychain exploit article: "MacOS is designed to be secure by default, and Gatekeeper warns users against installing unsigned apps, like the one shown in this proof of concept, and prevents them from launching the app without explicit approval. We encourage users to download software o

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

Each of these Mac OS exploits require that the end user install something on their computer, or allow it. As far as the doorstop comparison, well that comment is a bit of a red herring now isn't it? Brand new computers with current AV definitions and a completely updated OS involves "some degree

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

Well, aren't I glad I don't run an American business. 8-) I just run an EFL school that is not dependent on computers connected to the interweb and do funny things with Sanskrit. Richmond. On 12/7/2018 3:54 am, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: Bob Sneidar wrote: > On Jul 11, 2018, at

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

Bob Sneidar wrote: > On Jul 11, 2018, at 13:43 , Richard Gaskin wrote: >> When a computer's OS no longer receives critical patches for known >> exploits, it's no longer safe to use. > > I think it depends on what you use it for. True. If you unplug the power and use it as a doorstop, it's comple

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

I think it depends on what you use it for. I have yet to see a MacOS "exploit" that didn't require the end user do something they ought not to do, and/or authenticate an action they didn't initiate. And by exploit, I mean access the OS via network protocol and bypass protections in place to prev

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

Richmond Mathewson wrote: "it's no longer safe to use" I wonder how many people actually believe that? Judging from cases we read about regularly, not enough. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web _

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

"it's no longer safe to use" I wonder how many people actually believe that? Richmond. On 11/7/2018 11:43 pm, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: Bob S wrote: >> On Jul 10, 2018, at 21:18 , Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >> Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable >> hardware o

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

Bob S wrote: >> On Jul 10, 2018, at 21:18 , Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >> Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable >> hardware obsolete prematurely, if you want an OS that's >> safely maintained apparently their guidance is to stop >> using macOS and upgrade to Linux. > > Obsolete

RE: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

iMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 11:06 AM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Bob Sneidar Subjec

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. sqb -- Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - mixstream.org On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 7:59 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Here are some rude words and phrases that come pretty high on my sh*t list > with reasons

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

Richmond, Just wondering how you have time to do all that you do! I’m awed! Bill William Prothero http://earthlearningsolutions.org > On Jul 11, 2018, at 7:59 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode > wrote: > > Here are some rude words and phrases that come pretty high on my sh*t list > with

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

Just don't shoot me until after I've brushed my hair (and changed my underpants). [and before the comments roll: I buy new underpants about twice a year: no 1911 long-johns for me.] Richmond. On 11/7/2018 6:06 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: And may I point out that the Colt 1911 .4

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

And may I point out that the Colt 1911 .45 caliber handgun made in that same year is far from obsolete. :-) Bob S > On Jul 11, 2018, at 07:59 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode > wrote: > > 2.10. I brush my hair every morning with a pair of hairbrushes my > great-grandfather gave my gra

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

Here are some rude words and phrases that come pretty high on my sh*t list with reasons why: 1. EOL. I use Bryce 7 for producing 3D models even thought it was "EOL" 10 years ago (and ( was able to buy it for $10). I use LiveCode 7.1.4 on a regular basis as its interface is a lo

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

Obsolete is a strong word. There are different levels. I had a friend who firmly held that Obsolete meant when something newer could replace a device. But it can be argued, and I take this position, that a computer device is obsolete when it no longer is capable of running current software. But

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

There's 2 good bits of advice. Thanks. Richmond. On 11/7/2018 7:18 am, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: Richmond wrote: > 1. I use LiveCode, mainly, on a Macintosh computer that cannot be > upgraded above 10.7.5 > > 2. I have no money to buy a newer machine. FWIW I've found good deals

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

erra perfectly on ridiculously inexpensive platforms. Naturally, these are all just vicious rumors meant to undermine Apple's sterling and well defended market share ... justifying costs beyond those of normal human budgets... so you never heard it from me! Apple rules! Douglas Ruisaard Tril

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

I wonder if, rather than buying a new computer, running Linux on a VMware, Parallels, or even boot camp. But then, can a Linux version create Mac standalone? Bill William Prothero http://earthlearningsolutions.org > On Jul 10, 2018, at 9:18 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode > wrote: > > Ri

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

Richmond wrote: > 1. I use LiveCode, mainly, on a Macintosh computer that cannot be > upgraded above 10.7.5 > > 2. I have no money to buy a newer machine. FWIW I've found good deals on used Mac Minis on eBay. Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable hardware obsolete prematur

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

hese are all just vicious > rumors meant to undermine Apple's sterling and well defended market share > ... justifying costs beyond those of normal human budgets... so you never > heard it from me! Apple rules! > > Douglas Ruisaard > Trilogy Software > (250) 573-3935 > &

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

are all just vicious rumors meant to undermine Apple's sterling and well defended market share ... justifying costs beyond those of normal human budgets... so you never heard it from me! Apple rules! Douglas Ruisaard Trilogy Software (250) 573-3935 > Subject: Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appea

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

"elucidation" might be too posh a word for a few simple facts: 1. I use LiveCode, mainly, on a Macintosh computer that cannot be upgraded above 10.7.5 2. I have no money to buy a newer machine. Richmond. On 10/7/2018 10:06 pm, Douglas Ruisaard via use-livecode wrote: Sorry if I missed somet

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

Sorry if I missed something.. but, Richmond (or anyone, for that matter), could you elucidate on the specifics of which systems confine you to LC v8? Or at least which systems YOU employ which are not compatible with LC v9... If there are such systems or a list of known incompatibilities regard

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC 8.1.4 and above

Hi Richmond, LC 8.x is now EOLed, but regarding this specific bug fix, you can apply the fix locally to your install of LC 8.x, as it includes changes only in the IDE code. Best, Panos -- On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 8:26 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC 8.1.4 and above

It would be LOVELY if there were to be a version 8.1.11 just to fix this problem for those of us confined to systems that cannot work with LC 9. Richmond. On 9/7/2018 9:05 pm, bugzilla-dae...@meg.on-rev.com wrote: Panos Merakos changed bug 19998