Re: Features and shortcomings of html5

2018-02-20 Thread hh via use-livecode
So, here is one thing you have to keep in mind: The same-origin-policy for networking. http://hyperhh.de/html5/testFetch-9.0.0-dp-7X.html works with loading images but this one fails: http://hyperhh.org/html5/testFetch-9.0.0-dp-7X.html There is no other difference but using .org instead of .

Re: Features and shortcomings of html5

2018-02-20 Thread hh via use-livecode
The laoding delay is very much dependent on how you configure your server. If the server is optimized I have here with Safari < 9 secs for the first load and < 3 secs for a reload, using the server of the first link below. The standalones mentioned are here [EU] http://hyperhh.org/html5/index-

Re: Features and shortcomings of html5

2018-02-20 Thread Terry Judd via use-livecode
Yeah, you are still in for a bit of a wait for the initial load to complete but that doesn't seem to have deterred my users yet (they were pre-warned about the delay), even those who were accessing the sims from outside the university network. Not sure that I'd want to attempt to deliver it over

Re: libsodium on LiveCode?

2018-02-20 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode
Had not seen the tsNet handler, but that is an RSA key. Scuttlebutt uses a different key type. There are other useful things in the library. There is some overlap, but enough different to make it worthy of an effort. I’ll need to take a look at the MS links. Hopefully the rest of today and tomorr

Re: Features and shortcomings of html5

2018-02-20 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
Thanks Terry, that's helpful. I get the feeling that we can do almost anything internal to LC's engine, but things that require a call out to the OS are harder. I did a quick conversion of a simple stack way back when HTML5 was first released and got pretty good results, but the load time was

Re: Features and shortcomings of html5

2018-02-20 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
On 2/20/18 8:09 PM, hh via use-livecode wrote: What examples if not mine (and the few I link to) did you see? Would be very glad to know some more. I found some by Bernd in the forums that demonstrated a few different techniques. So you didn't even try the basic ones for that. I tried a

Re: libsodium on LiveCode?

2018-02-20 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode
> On 21 Feb 2018, at 2:57 pm, Brian Milby wrote: > > Monte, you are awesome! Cheers! Not feeling so awesome today… been banging my head on something all day and getting nowhere :-( > > With your help I was able to generate a key pair using libSodium. That means > that we are one huge step c

Re: libsodium on LiveCode?

2018-02-20 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode
Monte, you are awesome! With your help I was able to generate a key pair using libSodium. That means that we are one huge step closer to asymmetric key generation and use within LC. For each tool chain they provided a static and dynamic directory. The static just contained a .lib file. The dynami

Re: Features and shortcomings of html5

2018-02-20 Thread Terry Judd via use-livecode
I've converted a couple of interactive simulations to HTML5 and they worked and performed surprisingly well (once I'd removed and coded around a few wait statements). Multiple cards are fine but I haven't tried switching between stacks. Text display isn't that great out of the box but that shoul

Re: Features and shortcomings of html5

2018-02-20 Thread hh via use-livecode
Forgot to say: There are a LOT of improvements in the HTML5 standalone builder from LC 8.0.2 to 9.0.0-dp10. It is especially Ian who does a good job in that field. But it is also a lot of work to recompile older standalones and to remove work arounds that are no longer needed. Probably

Re: Features and shortcomings of html5

2018-02-20 Thread hh via use-livecode
> JLG wrote: > The examples I've seen are mostly basic, usually just a one-card stack with > image > or graphic manipulations. What examples if not mine (and the few I link to) did you see? Would be very glad to know some more. > The stack I will be working with will require many cards, naviga

Re: A little Levure-oriented question

2018-02-20 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
AFA the password protection goes, the traditional stack is only required when you _distribute_ the app. You do not need to store it that way. When you build a Levure app, it automatically creates a binary stack, installs the code, and password protects it. You get the best of both worlds: On yo

Re: A little Levure-oriented question

2018-02-20 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Script Only stacks make versioning and multiuser development environments possible, at least from the coding aspect of things. They cannot be password protected however, nor can they have properties, so even a faceless application which needed to avail these features would still need a UI stack.

RE: AcceleraterRendering - when to turn off

2018-02-20 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
S, #1 After the Android acceleratedRendering crash was fixed I have been leaving it on at all times and have not had any problems. I thought that only one stack at a time on mobile so I never close them. #2. I delete all mobile controls on close card. I delete mobile scrollers only on resizestack.

Re: A little Levure-oriented question

2018-02-20 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
You can move as much or as little as you like. I prefer to move everything and use an external text editor whenever I want to edit code. The .rev or .livecode stack file for me, then has multiple cards with the layouts and the objects, but no code in it. I also have taken to removing all substac

Re: A little Levure-oriented question

2018-02-20 Thread Trevor DeVore via use-livecode
On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I’m following the Levure discussion and of course Trevor's pronouncements > with great interest. One thing strikes me - is there really a universally > understood meaning to the term “UI stack

Features and shortcomings of html5

2018-02-20 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
I've been asked if I can convert a stack to HTML5, which I haven't worked with yet. I'd like to know, in general, what can be done and what can't. What are the limitations? The examples I've seen are mostly basic, usually just a one-card stack with image or graphic manipulations. I'm also awar

A little Levure-oriented question

2018-02-20 Thread Graham Samuel via use-livecode
I’m following the Levure discussion and of course Trevor's pronouncements with great interest. One thing strikes me - is there really a universally understood meaning to the term “UI stack”? I do understand the concept of separating the UI from the logic of an app, but any UI must contain **some

Bug? or unexpected feature ??

2018-02-20 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
This is on LC Server (various versions). My main script is simply " start using stack temp1 hereweare Inside the sub-directory "folder1/folder2" I have a script-only stack "my_script.livecode", which says script "mine" command hereweare   put "here we are inside folder1/folder2/" end here

AcceleraterRendering - when to turn off

2018-02-20 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
I have a heck a time with our new app on android One stack works fine. But we going one stack to another, (not in iOS) is a problem. Seems to be subtle issues with one the follow (although on the surface they seem to be same) 1) it is better to set the acceleratedRendering of this stack to fal

Re: Levure update 0.9.5

2018-02-20 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Well since you put it THAT way... ;-P I will offer this advice, and maybe it's not really needed, but I keep all the files necessary for a project in a single folder for that project, much like Levure does. For the purposes of cutting over, it may help to make a duplicate of your project and "L

Re: Text Styles: Expanded, condensed

2018-02-20 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Having come up through the golden age of digital prepress, I learned early on that either everyone working on a project that was involved in type had to have the exact same fonts from the exact same foundries, or else risk any number of issues. Nothing worse than getting the finished product and

Re: LiveCode and iOS Simulator Set Up

2018-02-20 Thread Roger Guay via use-livecode
I’m having the same problem, John. Here’s is what I wrote to Dan just a few days ago: First off, I’m in Mac OS 10.13.3 so I’m not sure this will help. The simulator has been consistently giving me the message “The simulator seems to be taking a long time to launch….” I respond to this message

Re: Levure update 0.9.5

2018-02-20 Thread Trevor DeVore via use-livecode
On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 11:20 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I'm interested in hearing more about other people who are thinking about > moving existing projects over. I've moved several small ones over (and > built a couple from scratch), and have been

Re: Levure update 0.9.5

2018-02-20 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Mike Kerner wrote: > I'm not sure how much work it's going to be to rewrite anything, > though (which is why I'm curious to hear what others think before > I decide to move something big and get stuck). Levure appears to offer a very good framework. The LC IDE offers another set of useful idea

Re: LiveCode and iOS Simulator Set Up

2018-02-20 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Hi John, For LC 8.1.9 you have to use Xcode 9.2 if you are on MacOS 10.12.6+. Moreover, you have to open the simulator first *from Xcode*. See this thread fro more details: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=30592 Best, Panos -- On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 5:44 PM, JOHN PATTEN via use

LiveCode and iOS Simulator Set Up

2018-02-20 Thread JOHN PATTEN via use-livecode
Hi All, I am trying to set up a new school Mac laptop with Xcode so that I can run the iOS simulator on it with Livecode. I have tried LiveCode 8.1.7 and 8.1.9 with Xcode most recent version of Xcode, 9.0, and 9.1. Each time I attempt to launch the simulator in LiveCode I get the message, “Th

RE: Text Styles: Expanded, condensed

2018-02-20 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
K, That's a amusing observation of font names. If a MS Word doc is using the Adobe Helvetica and the next user only has a MonoType Helvetica, then Word will substitute the MonoType font without warning. Then if the next user has neither font, Word will substitute a "Helvetica like" font, ag

Re: Am I Dreaming?

2018-02-20 Thread Roger Guay via use-livecode
Same here, Bob. It seems like this should be an easy thing to fix! Roger > On Feb 20, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > wrote: > > Each script pane used to remember the position of the cursor, even if you > closed the CE and reopened it. That was nice. No longer though. On sev

Re: Levure update 0.9.5

2018-02-20 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I'm interested in hearing more about other people who are thinking about moving existing projects over. I've moved several small ones over (and built a couple from scratch), and have been thinking about moving my bigger ones. I'm not sure how much work it's going to be to rewrite anything, though

Re: Am I Dreaming?

2018-02-20 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Each script pane used to remember the position of the cursor, even if you closed the CE and reopened it. That was nice. No longer though. On several occassions I deleted existing code thinking my cursor was where I left it, only to find the selection had somehow translated from another pane to t

Re: Text Styles: Expanded, condensed

2018-02-20 Thread Keith Martin via use-livecode
On 20 Feb 2018, at 16:34, Ralph DiMola wrote: We had many font issues over the years and I figured that the industry would get it together. Given that the font world calls eighteenth century font designs 'Modern' and early/mid 19th century sans-serifs 'Grotesque', I wouldn't hold my breath

Re: Text Styles: Expanded, condensed

2018-02-20 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Probably not. As I like to point out on occasion, everyone subscribes to standards. Their OWN standards. ;-) Bob S > On Feb 20, 2018, at 08:34 , Ralph DiMola via use-livecode > wrote: > > I started using TT and Type 1 fonts for composition back in 1994. We > had many font issues over the ye

RE: Text Styles: Expanded, condensed

2018-02-20 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
Keith +1 MS Word is the worst when it comes to this. I once spent 1/2 day trying to figure out why a PDFed Word file had font issues. I turns out that this Word doc was being passed around and not all users had all the fonts or faces. So Word changed the text using an unavailable font face by "bol

Re: Levure update 0.9.5

2018-02-20 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
He has some youtube videos, which after watching I understood the process well enough to know that it would be a fairly major rewrite of my projects to incorporate. It looks really cool, and I keep telling myself I'm going to do this soon. Bob S > On Feb 20, 2018, at 04:46 , Graham Samuel vi

Re: xkcd predictions for the 2018 cve list

2018-02-20 Thread Geoff Canyon via use-livecode
http://www.schneierfacts.com On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > turns out the cloud is just other people's computers. > > https://xkcd.com/1957/ > > ...and there's a tooltip... > > -- > Mark Wieder > ahsoftw...@gmail.com > > _

Re: Text Styles: Expanded, condensed

2018-02-20 Thread Keith Martin via use-livecode
On 17 Feb 2018, at 16:51, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: LC no longer manipulates text directly to produce styles, it now uses the equivalent font. And as a typographer, let me say YAY! Distorted type hurts my soul. :( k --- Keith Martin Senior Lecturer, LCC (University of the Arts

Re: Text Styles: Expanded, condensed

2018-02-20 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
How odd. Last Friday I ran into the same thing, and came to that conclusion deductively, because I tried using bold style with a font that I know didn't have that typeface. Bob S > On Feb 17, 2018, at 08:51 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > LC no longer manipulates text direct

Re: Levure update 0.9.5

2018-02-20 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I wouldn't give up on it. Levure is a really important development in the LC universe, and one that is worth integrating into your work in the medium term, but it is definitely a more advanced tool, like carbon frames and high-pressure tires. On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 7:46 AM, Graham Samuel via use

Re: Levure update 0.9.5

2018-02-20 Thread Graham Samuel via use-livecode
Ha, that was my instinct really. I very much admire Trevor’s work, but I do think there’s quite a change of mindset involved, and from the very limited stuff I’ve seen, not very much step-by-step instructions on how to do things. Nowadays I really want to stick to the “everyone an code” ethos, a