Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

2017-10-03 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
Why do I have a feeling that once a system constructed by humans reaches a certain level of complexity those humans are unable to predict how it will behave in certain circumstances. We humans have, largely got ourself in trouble by starting to think we can explain everything, and I have a vi

Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

2017-10-03 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
"magical unicorns crapped the world into existence." But they did: where have you been recently? Just as LiveCode 8.1.6 just spontaneously appeared without Homo Africanus (HyperCard), Home Erectus (Metacard) and a lot of subsequent depilation. Richmond. On 10/3/17 10:06 pm, Bob Sneidar via us

Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

2017-10-03 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
"because dead programmers don't write good code." More to the point, Astronauts (c.f. end-users) usually don't know how to write code at all. Richmond. On 10/3/17 9:59 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: No, I am sure we put men on the moon. But we didn't stay there and there are no plan

Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

2017-10-03 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Richard Gaskin wrote: >> They're still undocumented, designed for IDE use >> and subject to change. > > Ok, that explains why Google could not find > any information about this. > > Maybe this info could help developers that are having > trouble with their mobile apps. C

Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

2017-10-03 Thread Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode
Richard Gaskin wrote: > They're still undocumented, designed for IDE use > and subject to change. Ok, that explains why Google could not find any information about this. Maybe this info could help developers that are having trouble with their mobile apps. Could we save our log files and sent them

Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

2017-10-03 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Richard Gaskin wrote: >> I've found logging useful. Turn on the messageMessages >> and write all messageHandled messages to a file with the >> executionContexts - verbose, but when information is lacking >> better to have too much than too little. > > Great to know! Tha

Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

2017-10-03 Thread Jerry Jensen via use-livecode
It would really enhance my LiveCode email group experience if I could STOP reading about the fake moon landing and vaccines. Besides, the moon is made of green CHEESE !! .Jerry > On Oct 3, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode > wrote: > > Hi, > > I am well up on the argument of se

Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

2017-10-03 Thread Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode
Hi Richard, Richard Gaskin wrote: > I've found logging useful. Turn on the messageMessages > and write all messageHandled messages to a file with the > executionContexts - verbose, but when information is lacking > better to have too much than too little. Great to know! Thanks for this informati

not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

2017-10-03 Thread Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode
Ralph wrote: > This is possible because all current consumer OSs > have the same problems outlined in the article. Deep truth, but... Are you sure that hardware is not to blame for many of these unexplained bugs? Intermittent hardware failures, due to faulty soldering or overheating (etc...) are

LiveCode documentation set now available for Dash compatible readers

2017-10-03 Thread James Hale via use-livecode
There is now a documentation set (currently at LC 9 dp 9) available in the "user-contribution" category for Dash compatible readers. The set includes all the Guides and the dictionary (API) entries. Also included in this version are summary listing of all associated entries under their respectiv

Re: Scrollbar control and auto complete confusion

2017-10-03 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode
> On 4 Oct 2017, at 9:37 am, William Prothero via use-livecode > wrote: > > Interesting. I wonder, doesn’t it violate the usefulness of autocomplete if > there are a bunch of items listed that don’t pertain to the control being > edited? dragLeave can be used by a scrollbar. Note that all th

Re: Scrollbar control and auto complete confusion

2017-10-03 Thread William Prothero via use-livecode
Ali: Interesting. I wonder, doesn’t it violate the usefulness of autocomplete if there are a bunch of items listed that don’t pertain to the control being edited? I somehow had assumed that the list was adjusted to be relevant to the particular control’s script in question. Best, Bill > On Oct

Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

2017-10-03 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
The simplest of strawman arguements. :-) Bob S > On Oct 3, 2017, at 14:21 , Lagi Pittas via use-livecode > wrote: > > If you want my take on the secrecy issue I might expand - "A man convinced > against his will is of the same opinion still". > > Regards Lagi __

Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

2017-10-03 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
Hi, I am well up on the argument of secrecy and that article - falls down in the first few paragraphs with the vaccines - you probably haven't heard of the whistleblowers - Gus Grissom comes to mind http://info.cmsri.org/the-driven-researcher-blog/link-between-vaccines-and-african-american-boys-

Re: Segmented Control Bugs?

2017-10-03 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode
I think Ali is already on it. He found the commit with the removal. On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 3:49 PM James At The Hale via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Pants wrote>, > > Sorry, I should have been more clear. The "hiliteChanged" is a > **message** > > related to the segmente

Re: Segmented Control Bugs?

2017-10-03 Thread James At The Hale via use-livecode
Pants wrote>, > Sorry, I should have been more clear. The "hiliteChanged" is a **message** > related to the segmented control. In your screenshot, you have applied the > "property" filter, thus this message is not shown. Remove the "property" > filter and this message will appear. Actually no. It

Re: Segmented Control Bugs?

2017-10-03 Thread Ali Lloyd via use-livecode
Appears to be here: https://github.com/livecode/livecode/commit/4a25b3be357bcb8c92523d6f8cc4f9ea5d94836e#diff-48360427573246fc3b20d170e09eb8b1 On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:38 PM Brian Milby wrote: > That’s what I was just looking at. Develop branch impacted, 8.1 & 8.2 are > good. > On Tue, Oct 3, 20

Re: Segmented Control Bugs?

2017-10-03 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode
That’s what I was just looking at. Develop branch impacted, 8.1 & 8.2 are good. On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 3:18 PM Ali Lloyd via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Oh, looks like the docs for the segmented control have become mangled > somehow... perhaps a mis-merge. > > On Tue, Oc

Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

2017-10-03 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Yes, it very much supports your point. What tickled me about it was his attempt to quantify the challenge of keeping a large-scale conspiracy under wraps. Personally, I wouldn't have chosen the Snowden story as the baseline; too much still unknown and relatively little corroborated. Iran-Con

Re: Segmented Control Bugs?

2017-10-03 Thread Ali Lloyd via use-livecode
Oh, looks like the docs for the segmented control have become mangled somehow... perhaps a mis-merge. On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 8:38 PM panagiotis merakos via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Hi BR, > > Sorry, I should have been more clear. The "hiliteChanged" is a **message**

Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

2017-10-03 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Nice article, but his example of the Snowden revelations actually proves my point. Bob S > On Oct 3, 2017, at 12:20 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode > wrote: > > Bob Sneidar wrote: > > > Well then the REAL miracle to the moon launch is how Nasa either > > deceived the thousands of people

Re: Scrollbar control and auto complete confusion

2017-10-03 Thread Ali Lloyd via use-livecode
Hi Bill, probably best in this instance to refer to the dragLeave entry in the dictionary - "Sent when the mouse pointer moves out of an object during a drag and drop." So, this is relevant to all controls including the scrollbar, but perhaps not in the way you would think immediately. PS, you can

Re: Segmented Control Bugs?

2017-10-03 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Hi BR, Sorry, I should have been more clear. The "hiliteChanged" is a **message** related to the segmented control. In your screenshot, you have applied the "property" filter, thus this message is not shown. Remove the "property" filter and this message will appear. Best, Panos -- On Tue, Oct 3,

Re: Segmented Control Bugs?

2017-10-03 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode
Look at the description for the widget. Appears there isn’t a separate dictionary entry. On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 1:43 PM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I may be blind today… been tracing code for three days… > > see all props listed in the API

RE: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

2017-10-03 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
>For many years, we have seen in this mail list (and previous mail list) how developers are completely baffled by applications that run fine in most computers, but fail >consistently in a very few machines. Check the archives. You will find many instances of this scenario. How it is that possible a

Scrollbar control and auto complete confusion

2017-10-03 Thread William Prothero via use-livecode
Folks: In livecode 8.1.7 (RC2), I drag a scrollbar to the window of a new stack. I the scrollbar script, I put the following code: on dragLeave answer “here" end dragLeave The “dragLeave” message is shown in the autocomplete list. There are numerous other entries in the autocomplete

Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

2017-10-03 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Bob Sneidar wrote: > Well then the REAL miracle to the moon launch is how Nasa either > deceived the thousands of people who worked on the project, and keeps > them deceived to this day, or else were able to keep all those > thousands of people from talking or writing a book. Arithmetically unli

Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

2017-10-03 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Well then the REAL miracle to the moon launch is how Nasa either deceived the thousands of people who worked on the project, and keeps them deceived to this day, or else were able to keep all those thousands of people from talking or writing a book. You see, conspiracies must by nature be extr

Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

2017-10-03 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
No, I am sure we put men on the moon. But we didn't stay there and there are no plans to actually colonize it. And the resources just to do that were "astronomical" (pardon the pun). There was of cource some redundancy, but some things cannot be repaired, as we learned with Apollo 13. Oh we patc

Re: Segmented Control Bugs?

2017-10-03 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
I may be blind today… been tracing code for three days… see all props listed in the API guide https://www.dropbox.com/s/tpo38y5q491w0hr/seg-control-props.jpeg?dl=0 "hiliteChanged" does not appear among them. On 10/3/17, 5:53 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of panagiotis merakos via use-li

Using shell on Windows

2017-10-03 Thread Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode
Attempting to debug an ugly memory problem on a remote machine, I've installed pslist.exe, one of the SysInternals tools, and want my LiveCode script to invoke it via "shell" at various intervals to get some data about memory usage. Initially I just dropped pslist.exe into the same folder as my

Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

2017-10-03 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Does exists a programming tool that provides the developer > with a complete (but optional) battery of tests that run while > opening the application or on user request after the application > is opened? I've found logging useful. Turn on the messageMessages and write a

Re: Segmented Control Bugs?

2017-10-03 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Hi BR, >>>Though obvious in function, "hiliteChanged" is not a documented property of the segmented control It is documented. In the dictionary, select "Segmented Control" in the API dropdown, and you'll see all the properties/messages related to this widget. Best, Panos -- On Tue, Oct 3,

not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

2017-10-03 Thread Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode
Hi All, Lagi Pittas wrote: > That's why I said the Function part would be good - > basically a LIVE interactive debugger - the coding > to do all the rest in a REAL programming language > rather than an animation studio or a testbed is way > out of my league - But given time and money anything > i

Re: Segmented Control Bugs?

2017-10-03 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
Hmm the bug I have is a bit different… appears in both 8 and 9 I "deprecated" the control by moving it to -2000,-2000 and used the "old-fashioned way" of three buttons in group/get the target and go. save… went off for some other work.. came back Then every time the stack opens, the script o

Re: mergZXing alternative

2017-10-03 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
There are barcode calls in mergav. There is also a sample stack that demonstrates how to use it for scanning barcodes. All the MergAV calls are documented in the dictionary. I believe the other reason why zx was deprecated was because av is faster and more accurate - at least it would appear to b

Re: mergZXing alternative

2017-10-03 Thread Andrew Bell via use-livecode
I mistakenly said I couldn't get this to work in 9.0.0dp7 (which it does), I meant to say it did NOT work in 9.0.0dp9 which is on par with 8.2.0.dp1. I know Android doesn't have the same support for barcode reading as iOS, so I'd be fine just getting iPad functionality with this. I manual

Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

2017-10-03 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
Hi Bob That's why I said the Function part would be good - basically a LIVE interactive debugger - the coding to do all the rest in a REAL programming language rather than an animation studio or a testbed is way out of my league - But given time and money anything is possible Except .. A

Re: Segmented Control Bugs?

2017-10-03 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Hi BR, The main difference between the segmented control between LC 8.x and 9.0 is that: - In LC 8.x you can select **exactly** one segment - In LC 9 this has changed (--> enhanced) and you can select 0 or more segments See the properties "toggleHilites" and "multipleHilites" in LC 9.0 DP-9. No