This seems like something the new language parser could fix for you.
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On Aug 8, 2013, at 7:30 PM, Mike Kerner wrote:
> I know I'm stuck with it, but I wish there was a preference that I could
> tick.
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Thank you for all your insights and suggestions. The public IP address is
only needed on first-launch for a best-guess geographic location.
Thereafter, the User's own text is used. Using query.us/iptest.php is
probably the most appropriate at this time and seems to do exactly w
On 09/08/2013, at 9:25 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> You want to know what's really weird? The more we talk about this, the more
> sense "this me" makes. Wait. I never said that.
Aha... so it was a cunning ploy to get us all discussing it so much therefore
confuse us into thinking this me made s
Too badd I mizspeld "Atkinson". OMG #FAIL
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Mike Kerner wrote:
> I know I'm stuck with it, but I wish there was a preference that I could
> tick. Sometimes I even wish I was actually good at C so I could take the
> source and fix it.
>
> No, wait. Maybe I can fun
I know I'm stuck with it, but I wish there was a preference that I could
tick. Sometimes I even wish I was actually good at C so I could take the
source and fix it.
No, wait. Maybe I can fund forking it just for the sake of fixing that one
thing.
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Richard Gaskin
I only said it was weird because the result was odd. Thanks everyone
for your help, as always, and it's not my fault this thread
degenerated into a whatever that is.
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On 8/8/13 6:13 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:
Are you saying that implementing "this me" wasn't one of those times?
It was a very clever ploy to force us all to have this discussion I
think ;-)
You want to know what's really weird? The more we talk about this, the
more sense "this me" makes. Wait.
On 09/08/2013, at 8:46 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> I should ammend that: "I'll be good with whatever Mark Waddingham think is
> best when he's sober."
>
> :)
>
> At the risk of appearing a sycophant, I've come to trust his judgment on such
> things. When he's sober, that is. Though someti
Monte Goulding wrote:
> On 09/08/2013, at 8:28 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> I'm not married to "effective"; as long as the functionality is
>> there I'll be good with whatever Mark Waddingham thinks is best.
>
> Careful now... you might end up with:
> the effective this mes ;-)
I should ammend
That was some damn fine writing, my friend.
There's too much code floating around for the delimiter behavior to
change, but your most excellent post earned you a dinner next time
you're in LA, or at RevLive in San Diego next year. It would be my
pleasure.
Yep, xTalk is sometimes funky, like
On 09/08/2013, at 8:28 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> I'm not married to "effective"; as long as the functionality is there I'll be
> good with whatever Mark Waddingham thinks is best.
Careful now... you might end up with:
the effective this mes ;-)
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Monte Goulding wrote:
> On 09/08/2013, at 6:57 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> To my eye it distinguishes "scriptObject" from "scriptObjects" in
>> a useful way, and makes use of the existing "effective" keyword
>> to note that it's dealing with a broader scope, often used to
>> denote inheritance
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Monte Goulding
wrote:
> Hmm... in the effective working screenRects there's no inheritance, just
> modification of the result.
Fair point -- the word "effective" in all cases is being used in the sense
of "actual," but that's a strained usage in the case of mobil
Geoff-
Thursday, August 8, 2013, 2:40:59 PM, you wrote:
> Exactly -- if anything, "effective me" when used in a behavior script
> should refer to the root object, since (metaphorically) the behavior object
> "inherits" the identity of the root object. But "me" already refers to the
> root object.
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Ah... OK... off the top of my head I can't remember what "the
> effective working screenrects" returns.
>
In case anyone in a position to rewrite it is listening, this sentence
needs to be re-written:
"The screenRects function returns a retu
On 09/08/2013, at 4:06 AM, Ray Horsley wrote:
> Do you have a trial version of AirLaunch? I've tried wrestling with MergExt
> which works in conjunction with TestFlight (which is the troublesome part)
> and I'm having no luck. I'd like to try AirLaunch and it sounds like the
> right tool si
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> The problem is that "me" *is* inherited
> in a sense in a behavior script and refers not to the behavior object
> but to the root object.
>
Exactly -- if anything, "effective me" when used in a behavior script
should refer to the root object,
Am 08.08.2013 um 22:12 schrieb J. Landman Gay :
> On 8/8/13 2:46 PM, Matthias Rebbe wrote:
>> Ray,
>>
>> i am using AirLaunch and all what i can tell is that it is extreme easy to
>> use!
>
> Thanks, that's great to hear.
>
>> The dropbox solution only works if you have an "older" dropbox acc
On 09/08/2013, at 7:10 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Ah... OK... off the top of my head I can't remember what "the
> effective working screenrects" returns.
The are of the screen that's usable at the time.
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Monte-
Thursday, August 8, 2013, 1:54:30 PM, you wrote:
> Hmm... in the effective working screenRects there's no
> inheritance, just modification of the result.
Ah... OK... off the top of my head I can't remember what "the
effective working screenrects" returns.
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We also had this debate on several bug reports at quality.runrev.com, so
you will find much of this hashed out over there, over several bug
reports. Excuse me while I wax extemporaneously for a moment.
My fellow LiveCoders, I implore you, to reach within your souls and ask
yourselves, are not al
On Aug 8, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Having made that plea for simplicity in programming, please allow me to
> complicate this now: :)
>
>
> Taking the idea of scriptObject further, for the rarer-but-not-unthinkable
> need to know all of the objects in an object's message path
On 09/08/2013, at 6:57 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> To my eye it distinguishes "scriptObject" from "scriptObjects" in a useful
> way, and makes use of the existing "effective" keyword to note that it's
> dealing with a broader scope, often used to denote inheritance.
Hmm if there's no diff
Monte Goulding wrote:
> On 09/08/2013, at 12:01 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> the effective scriptObjects of
>
> I like the idea although it's arguably not complicated to parse the
> chain if you need to. Can you elaborate on the difference the
> effective adjective makes to the scriptObjects?
On 09/08/2013, at 6:43 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> But it *does* mean "inherited if not explicitly assigned" in all other
> uses of "effective" in xtalk. The problem is that "me" *is* inherited
> in a sense in a behavior script and refers not to the behavior object
> but to the root object.
Hmm...
On 09/08/2013, at 12:01 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> the effective scriptObjects of
I like the idea although it's arguably not complicated to parse the chain if
you need to. Can you elaborate on the difference the effective adjective makes
to the scriptObjects?
Cheers
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Geoff-
Thursday, August 8, 2013, 12:33:50 PM, you wrote:
> "effective" modifies a property to get the value whether it is set
> directly, or inherited. "me" always has a meaning, and is never inherited.
> Putting it another way, "effective" does not mean "inherited"
But it *does* mean "inherited
On 09/08/2013, at 3:40 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:
> I agree. I'd hope that we can use either 'container' or 'object' somewhere
> in whatever syntax is arrived at, if the value is going to be a reference to
> an object.
There's actually no precedence for that at all so I don't see why it shoul
On 09/08/2013, at 6:06 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> scriptObject local MyVar
>
> ..or:
>
> local to scriptObject myVar
behavior local myVar? It's the script that's important in this instance rather
than the object.
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On 09/08/2013, at 6:15 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote:
> Dang, that's right, and I completely borked what I said -- local variables
> are unique to the object, not the scriptObject. So yes,
>
> scriptObject local MyVar
>
> or something like it would make sense for this use case.
Something like this h
Dang, that's right, and I completely borked what I said -- local variables
are unique to the object, not the scriptObject. So yes,
scriptObject local MyVar
or something like it would make sense for this use case.
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Richard Gaskin
wrote:
> Geoff Canyon wrote:
>
>
On 8/8/13 2:46 PM, Matthias Rebbe wrote:
Ray,
i am using AirLaunch and all what i can tell is that it is extreme easy to use!
Thanks, that's great to hear.
The dropbox solution only works if you have an "older" dropbox account which
still has the public folder.
Newer accounts do not have th
Geoff Canyon wrote:
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Timothy Bleiler wrote:
So, to the extent that it might effect preferences for the syntax, what
are some examples of how this would be used?
This seems similar to the distinction between class and instance methods.
Class methods are often us
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Timothy Bleiler wrote:
> So, to the extent that it might effect preferences for the syntax, what
> are some examples of how this would be used?
>
This seems similar to the distinction between class and instance methods.
Class methods are often used to store valu
I agree with Jacque's construct. I was thrown,long ago, with the number of
items, say, in:
"1,2,3,4,"
That last comma should indicate a "placeholder" for a fifth item at the end of
the string, but there are in fact only four. One could say that since the last
comma precedes "empty". The num
Ray,
i am using AirLaunch and all what i can tell is that it is extreme easy to use!
I am using it with DropBox. I let Airlaunch save the file into my Public
Dropbox folder.
After saving, Airlaunch puts the D/L url into clipboard. So i just have to
paste this URL
into an email to send it to my
Geoff Canyon wrote:
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
My favorite annoyance with xTalks is the decision by the HyperTalk team to
allow some functions to be called as though they're properties - but not
all. You can say "get the abs of -10" or "abs(-10)", and you can say "ge
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Jim-
>
> Wednesday, August 7, 2013, 8:33:26 PM, you wrote:
>
> > How about the effective me?
>
> After my initial shock, I'm thinking that this is kind of not too bad.
> It's a weird use of "effective", but you could see if you're in the
> con
On 8/8/13 12:45 PM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:
I think the return (or equally the comma when dealing with items)
doesn't "belong" to the line that it terminates (as I tend to think of
it) - or indeed to the line that follows it (as perhaps you do); it is,
indeed just a delimiter.
My mental model is
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:12 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> And now that I've had 8 more minutes to think about it, how about
> "behaviorObject". That's even more descriptive.
>
This seems misleading -- you can already get the behavior of me, but if you
want "where is this code located" that's a di
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 10:06 PM, Mike Kerner wrote:
> I want the phrase to be
> clear to the beginner, because if it's clear to the beginner
>
We're talking about behaviors -- clarity for the beginner left on a bus
three hours ago. (but I'm still for being as clear as possible).
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:03 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> The more I think about it, the more I like scriptObject. It's pretty
> self-explanatory.
This gets my vote.
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On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Richard Gaskin
wrote:
>
> My favorite annoyance with xTalks is the decision by the HyperTalk team to
> allow some functions to be called as though they're properties - but not
> all. You can say "get the abs of -10" or "abs(-10)", and you can say "get
> offset("l",
Paul D. DeRocco wrote:
From: Ben Rubinstein
...
are there any examples of LC behaviour which are inconsistent with it?
YES. A listbox that has a return at the end of its contents allows the user
to select a blank item following the last visible item. When building up the
contents of the list
> From: Ben Rubinstein
>
> It's easier to see with items, and I think it is consistent:
>
> number of items in "," ---> 1
> number of items in ",," ---> 2
> number of items in ",,a" ---> 3
> number of items in ",,a," ---> 3
> item 2 to 3 of "a,b,c,d" ---> b,c
>
> If you take this model:
>
Jackie,
Do you have a trial version of AirLaunch? I've tried wrestling with MergExt
which works in conjunction with TestFlight (which is the troublesome part) and
I'm having no luck. I'd like to try AirLaunch and it sounds like the right
tool since it doesn't depend on TestFlight.
Thanks,
R
On 08/08/2013 14:44, Mike Kerner wrote:
I would LOVE to discuss fixing the bizarre way empty last items are
treated, starting with either having a preference to modify the behavior,
separate functions/commands, or tweaking the database library so I don't
have to deal with this all the time.
Hi
On 08/08/2013 14:44, Mike Kerner wrote:
"The effective behavior" in no way implies "B" or "A" when reading it. To
me, anyway, it implies the script, not the container or the container's
name.
I agree. I'd hope that we can use either 'container' or 'object' somewhere in
whatever syntax is arr
Unlike Director's Lingo behaviors, LiveCode behaviors are more than just
scripts. They are housed within an object. That object has properties; it may
have custom properties.
With chained behaviors you might want to know the currently executing 'link' in
a chain (the 'this me'), so that you can
And so I thought that I'd made a cute little couple of lines of code
that replaced my loops. The updating worked, with a SELECT generating
a slew of UPDATEs.
And then I tried to deal with the case of an apostrophe in a field. Giving me
something like
SET adr='Fudd's Place'
I suppose I cou
LinkedIn is a great resource for professionals, with an audience larger
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One of LinkedIn's main features is the member profile, where we list our
skills and interests, and that's where you come in:
It's common among LinkedIn members to in
I don't know if I like the term, but I like the idea. I've been trying to
come up with something better.
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:
>
> On Aug 8, 2013, at 7:01 AM, Richard Gaskin
> wrote:
>
> > ...which would return a return-delimited list of all objects in the
> mess
On Aug 8, 2013, at 7:01 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> ...which would return a return-delimited list of all objects in the message
> path of ?
Me like.
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On Aug 8, 2013, at 9:44 AM, Mike Kerner wrote:
> "The effective behavior" in no way implies "B" or "A" when reading it. To
> me, anyway, it implies the script, not the container or the container's
> name.
Yes, it seems to have a more narrow application than some of the other
suggestions. I can
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> It seems that a query that produces a string half a dozen lines that
>> are already sql transactions, just needing BEGIN/END wr
On Aug 8, 2013, at 4:30 AM, FlexibleLearning.com wrote:
> I am trying to establish the User's public IP address. The Scripter's
> Scrapbook has several methods, all of which return the same result and all
> of which seem to return a local IP address (e.g. put the hostnametoaddress
> of the hostna
I created a php file with the following code and put it on my server.
In my livecode app i am calling that php file with
get URL "http://myserver.com/my php-file.php"
to get the ip then.
Regards,
Matthias
Am 08.08.2013 um 12:30 schrieb FlexibleLearning.com
:
> I am trying to establish t
> I am trying to establish the User's public IP address. The Scripter's
> Scrapbook has several methods, all of which return the same result and all
> of which seem to return a local IP address (e.g. put the hostnametoaddress
> of the hostname into myIP). I am getting 192.168.2.2 (local) instead
Timothy Bleiler wrote:
> This is an interesting discussion. For my 2 cents worth, I'm
> currently in favor of 'the effective behavior of me' but I'm
> curious why it's needed.
FWIW I find myself leaning toward "scriptObject" because it's the least
like anything else in the language, and needing
"The effective behavior" in no way implies "B" or "A" when reading it. To
me, anyway, it implies the script, not the container or the container's
name.
Jacque, I would LOVE to discuss fixing the bizarre way empty last items are
treated, starting with either having a preference to modify the behav
On Aug 8, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Timothy Bleiler wrote:
>
> So, to the extent that it might effect preferences for the syntax, what are
> some examples of how this would be used?
Too early in the morning. Just to be clear and avoid prosecution by the grammar
police - to the extent that it might AFFE
This is an interesting discussion. For my 2 cents worth, I'm currently in favor
of 'the effective behavior of me' but I'm curious why it's needed.
What circumstances require a means of determining the control that provides the
behavior script? Since behaviors were introduced, I've always thought
Hugh,
If there is a public IP address, there is an internet connection. In
most cases, you can access web sites.
put URL "http://qery.us/iptest.php";
should work.
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I am trying to establish the User's public IP address. The Scripter's
Scrapbook has several methods, all of which return the same result and all
of which seem to return a local IP address (e.g. put the hostnametoaddress
of the hostname into myIP). I am getting 192.168.2.2 (local) instead of the
req
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