Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 15:46, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > >People know what a web browser is. > > By far, most of them do not. > > > > > >

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

Le lundi 30 août 2010 à 22:19 +0800, Allan Caeg a écrit : > Hello, > > It would be nice if we can put menus (or alternatives like the Firefox > button) on window borders, but there could be too many technical > issues, especially because of different window managers. > > Context-specific menus wo

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

Hello, It would be nice if we can put menus (or alternatives like the Firefox button) on window borders, but there could be too many technical issues, especially because of different window managers. Context-specific menus would also be nice, but I don't know if they can be done in the near futur

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

On 08/11/2010 04:14 AM, Allan Caeg wrote: I just noticed that Firefox 4.0 beta 2 on Windows also has a menu bar (activated by alt) and its contents are different from the Firefox button 's (some stuff are in both menus, though). Apparent

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

I just noticed that Firefox 4.0 beta 2 on Windows also has a menu bar(activated by alt) and its contents are different from the Firefox button 's (some stuff are in both menus, though). Apparently, the Firefox button isn't a menu bar replaceme

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

Not showing the branding while the app is running may reduce cognitive load, just like what MPT said. However, there are issues with this. *Apps that are supposed to do the same things have differences that many people know or need to know.* Whenever I'm browsing, I have to know that it's Firefox,

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

Ryan, On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 11:22 -0500, Ryan Peters wrote: > While browsers might not be focused on branding, that branding is > still > there. My point, however, isn't the branding, but the fact that there > is > a brand. If we treated every web browser as "web browser" or every > email > cli

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 09:08 -0500, Apoorva Sharma wrote: > On Aug 9, 2010, at 5:56 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Ryan Peters wrote on 07/08/10 20:12: > >> > >> It makes more sense for "Preferences" to go > >> under the "Applicati

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

On 08/09/2010 05:56 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ryan Peters wrote on 07/08/10 20:12: On 08/07/2010 08:46 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: ... In this scenario someone is using (for example) Calculator, Banshee, Empathy, Gmail, Amazon, CNN, Farmvi

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

On Aug 9, 2010, at 5:56 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ryan Peters wrote on 07/08/10 20:12: >> >> It makes more sense for "Preferences" to go >> under the "Application" menu than a "Tools" or "Edit" menu, doesn't it? > > Yes, it does -- a

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vishnoo wrote on 07/08/10 19:59: > > On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 14:46 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas >... >> In Ubuntu 9.10 and later, the application icon does not appear in the >> window title bar, partly for the same reason (it's not relevant to >> user goal

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ryan Peters wrote on 07/08/10 20:12: > > On 08/07/2010 08:46 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: >... >> In this scenario someone is using (for example) Calculator, Banshee, >> Empathy, Gmail, Amazon, CNN, Farmville, the Gundam AnimeSuki Forum, >> and Hulu

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

On 08/07/2010 08:46 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: ... Or to put it another way: The Gnome Shell application menu mimicks the Mac OS X application menu almost exactly. It may seem "shiny" or "familiar" to those designers who use a Mac, but it is o

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

On 08/07/2010 08:46 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ryan Peters wrote on 06/08/10 17:15: On 08/06/2010 06:17 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: ... What sense does it make to have a menu that's lab

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 14:46 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas > >... > >> What sense does it make to have a menu that's labelled "Calculator" > >> when doing a calculation, "Banshee" when you're playing music, and > >> "Empathy" when you're chatting with friends -- but "Firefox" when > >> you're writing

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

On 08/07/2010 09:56 AM, Remco wrote: On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 15:46, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: In this scenario someone is using (for example) Calculator, Banshee, Empathy, Gmail, Amazon, CNN, Farmville, the Gundam AnimeSuki Forum, and Hulu respectively. That

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 15:46, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > In this scenario someone is using (for example) Calculator, Banshee, > Empathy, Gmail, Amazon, CNN, Farmville, the Gundam AnimeSuki Forum, and > Hulu respectively. That they are using Firefox for 70% of these things > does not mean it is u

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

After reading lots of usability discussions here I feel impelled to give my 2 cents to the ongoing discussion. I am a quite experienced user and have experimented a lot with desktop themes, button order, compiz settings etc. to find my most efficient desktop. Moreover, I've tried a lot of distribut

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ryan Peters wrote on 06/08/10 17:15: > > On 08/06/2010 06:17 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: >... >> What sense does it make to have a menu that's labelled "Calculator" >> when doing a calculation, "Banshee" when you're playing music, and >> "Empathy" w

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

To make things clearer, when he said > the app menu looks like it is exactly the type of control we are interested > in having (both for our own use, and because we think it is a good direction > for the general design of desktop applications). he was referring to this menu

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

Here's Alex Faaborg's view on Firefox menu on the toolbar and the menu that Ryan Peters suggested the app menu looks like it is exactly the type of control we are interested > in having (both for our own use, and because we think it is a good direction > for the general design of desktop applicati

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 11:15 -0500, Ryan Peters wrote: > > > Help, Check for Updates, and About, that affect the entire program, > > > meaning every open window. > > "About" is a fair example. But "Help" should be context-sensitive > > whenever possible -- showing help relevant to the window you cho

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

On 08/06/2010 06:17 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ryan Peters wrote on 30/07/10 21:05: ... GNOME 3 comes out next year. With it comes many new technologies including the Application Menu, a message tray for

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ryan Peters wrote on 30/07/10 21:05: >... > GNOME 3 comes out next year. With it comes many new technologies > including the Application Menu, a message tray for non-system > applications, and GTK+ 3. The GNOME Shell design page >

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

Hello, I agree that all that the Firefox Button does is re-package the menu bar in a more compact space on the window border, that is it. But it is extremely important. Vertical space these days is very precious with these wide-screen monitors. I've already reorganized my Firefox 3.0 toolbars s

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

On 07/29/2010 10:35 AM, Martin Owens wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 18:28 +0800, Allan Caeg wrote: Conventions in Windows and OS X are evolving (see the ribbon interface and app buttons on Office, Paint, etc.) while the Linux desktop is limited (probably) becaus

Re: [Usability] [Ayatana] The Future of Window Borders, Menu Bars, and More

On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 18:28 +0800, Allan Caeg wrote: > Conventions in Windows and OS X are evolving (see the ribbon interface > and app buttons on Office, Paint, etc.) while the Linux desktop is > limited (probably) because we can't make new things work everywhere > (different window managers, desk