Re: [Usability] User Experience Advocates

2010-05-21 Thread Felipe Erias Morandeira
On 21/05/10 20:22, Máirín Duffy wrote: > On Fri, 2010-05-21 at 14:13 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote:to you. >> >> 2. Make mockups and flowcharts and whatever else you would >> do to sketch out the user interaction. >> >> 3. Make some noise and convince developers this is worth >> implementing. > > It

Re: [Usability] User Experience Advocates

2010-05-21 Thread Máirín Duffy
On Fri, 2010-05-21 at 14:13 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote:to you. > > 2. Make mockups and flowcharts and whatever else you would > do to sketch out the user interaction. > > 3. Make some noise and convince developers this is worth > implementing. It may seem like a pipe dream but it does work. Writ

Re: [Usability] User Experience Advocates

2010-05-21 Thread Shaun McCance
On Fri, 2010-05-21 at 13:48 -0500, Kevin Godby wrote: > 'allo. > > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Shaun McCance wrote: > > I hope this doesn't come across as snide, but the only way > > this is going to work in open source is for the interaction > > designers to have the ideas and lead the way.

Re: [Usability] User Experience Advocates

2010-05-21 Thread Kevin Godby
'allo. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Shaun McCance wrote: > I hope this doesn't come across as snide, but the only way > this is going to work in open source is for the interaction > designers to have the ideas and lead the way. > > If a developer has an itch to scratch, he's not going to sit

Re: [Usability] User Experience Advocates

2010-05-21 Thread Shaun McCance
On Fri, 2010-05-21 at 18:56 +0100, Felipe Erias Morandeira wrote: > On 21/05/10 18:37, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: > > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Felipe Erias Morandeira > > wrote: > >> I wonder if it would be possible to get interaction designers involved > >> *before* the application has been

Re: [Usability] User Experience Advocates

2010-05-21 Thread Felipe Erias Morandeira
On 21/05/10 18:37, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Felipe Erias Morandeira > wrote: >> I wonder if it would be possible to get interaction designers involved >> *before* the application has been written. > > Most of open source software is in the maintenance phase and

Re: [Usability] User Experience Advocates

2010-05-21 Thread Celeste Lyn Paul
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Felipe Erias Morandeira wrote: > I wonder if it would be possible to get interaction designers involved > *before* the application has been written. Most of open source software is in the maintenance phase and does not have the luxury of a full redesign from the

Re: [Usability] User Experience Advocates

2010-05-21 Thread Felipe Erias Morandeira
I wonder if it would be possible to get interaction designers involved *before* the application has been written. To cite Alan Cooper: "Many people have the mistaken assumption that what interaction designers do, and what needs to be done, is user-interface design. Interface design is certainly p

Re: [Usability] User Experience Advocates

2010-05-17 Thread Allan Day
I'm glad that everyone so far seems to think that this is a good idea. There are a lot of details that would need to be worked out. We'll need to get maintainers and devs involved in figuring that out. Questions and issues: * How formal a requirement? Should every sub-project be required to hav

Re: [Usability] User Experience Advocates

2010-05-14 Thread Calum Benson
On 14 May 2010, at 05:03, Kirk Bridger wrote: > Interesting idea, it introduces the idea of accountability which I think is > lacking in many ways right now with Gnome Usability. But then the flip side > of accountability is the ability to make changes. > > Which leads to a question and a poi

Re: [Usability] User Experience Advocates

2010-05-14 Thread Calum Benson
On 13 May 2010, at 23:38, Philip Ganchev wrote: > But I don't think that the rest of the team > should be excluded from UI decisions. The UI expert should just bring > up issues and present the best available info about UI to the project. I agree. I'd envisage something like the UI Review Boar

Re: [Usability] User Experience Advocates

2010-05-13 Thread Kirk Bridger
Interesting idea, it introduces the idea of accountability which I think is lacking in many ways right now with Gnome Usability. But then the flip side of accountability is the ability to make changes. Which leads to a question and a point. Question: why did this not take off earlier Callum?

Re: [Usability] User Experience Advocates

2010-05-13 Thread Jan-Christoph Borchardt
On 14 May 2010 00:38, Philip Ganchev wrote: > But I don't think that the rest of the team > should be excluded from UI decisions. The UI expert should just bring > up issues and present the best available info about UI to the project. It may be best if there were two uxperts assigned to each proj

Re: [Usability] User Experience Advocates

2010-05-13 Thread Philip Ganchev
I like the idea of one person in each sub-project having a special responsibility for UI issues. That would allow that person to develop a keener insight into UI issues, to spot UI problems and solutions for the project, to know the HIG better, and to develop special relationships with other UI fol

Re: [Usability] User Experience Advocates

2010-05-13 Thread Frederik Nnaji
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 16:55, Calum Benson wrote: > AIUI Allan's suggestion is nothing to do with Launchpad or Ubuntu (even > though the discussion happened at UDS); it would be a GNOME-wide initiative. > > Cheeri, > Calum. > of course, launchpad is only an easily imaginable example implementat

Re: [Usability] User Experience Advocates

2010-05-13 Thread Calum Benson
On 13 May 2010, at 14:11, Frederik Nnaji wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 14:11, Allan Day wrote: >> What do people think of this idea? How could we make it happen? This is pretty much what the GNOME Usability Project was supposed to do from the start, so in that sense it's not a new idea. We

Re: [Usability] User Experience Advocates

2010-05-13 Thread Frederik Nnaji
Hi Allan ;) On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 14:11, Allan Day wrote: > What do people think of this idea? How could we make it happen? > i think the maintainer of project "foo" on launchpad could appoint someone he knows to help them in this manner, by assigning him/her to the position of "User Experien

[Usability] User Experience Advocates

2010-05-13 Thread Allan Day
Hi all, A few of us GNOMErs attended a UDS meeting yesterday with the title 'Working Better with Upstream' (or something like that). One interesting idea that came out of that meeting was of each module/sub-project having a designated usability/design person. This User Experience Advocate (the nam