Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

On 13 Oct 2010, at 16:30, Allan Caeg wrote: > We can sense that a huge part of the issue here is organizational. We'll > have to invent ways to create a UI Pattern Library, make it usable enough > for devs to refer to them, and sustain its development so it's always > relevant. > > Inputs please

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

I'm happy to meet early tomorrow (Friday) - could we meet between 7 and 8 PT (15 and 16 UTC) ? On 10/14/2010 07:33 AM, Allan Caeg wrote: Allan, Calum, and I agreed on setting a meeting. That's probably in the afternoon UTC time. When exactly can we meet? I won't be available tomorrow. Perha

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Kirk Bridger wrote: > > Even more sadly my empathy install on FC14 is crashing when I try to create > a new IRC account - so I'll work on getting access to the channel to see > who's around. > > Maybe we can head to the wiki in the meantime, if no better options p

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

On 10/13/2010 05:25 AM, Allan Day wrote: Kirk - in what ways do you see a pattern library as being inappropriate? I don't think a pattern library is inappropriate, I just think it is insufficient by itself. You actually outlined these arguments in your own email, and I agree with you com

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

We can sense that a huge part of the issue here is organizational. We'll have to invent ways to create a UI Pattern Library, make it usable enough for devs to refer to them, and sustain its development so it's always relevant. Inputs please On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Allan Caeg wrote: >

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Calum Benson wrote: > FWIW, I'd say a good pattern library requires best practice for certain > tasks, rather than certain widgets. In most cases, the 'best practice for a > widget' should be enshrined as the default behaviour of that widget. (And we > need to be

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

On 13 Oct 2010, at 13:47, Allan Caeg wrote: > Great. We're moving forward. I might start a web UI Pattern Library at work. > Will incorporate what I do there to our Cross-platform UI Library if ever. > > Such a library simply requires best practices for certain widgets. It's okay > to borrow ide

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

I also recommend working with designers who work on Open Source web platforms. They may have existing UI Pattern Libraries and/or be willing to help make one. Who else do you think can join us? Regards, Allan Caeg http://google.com/profiles/AllanCaeg#about @AllanCaeg +63 918 948 2520 Sent mobile

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

Great. We're moving forward. I might start a web UI Pattern Library at work. Will incorporate what I do there to our Cross-platform UI Library if ever. Such a library simply requires best practices for certain widgets. It's okay to borrow ideas to other platforms, even on the web, as long as they

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

Hi Kirk! On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 16:21 -0700, Kirk Bridger wrote: > The more I've looked at this issue the less I think that simply > creating YAPL (yet another pattern library) is the solution. I agree that we should be approaching this problem by asking what it is we need and want, rather than s

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

On 13 Oct 2010, at 00:21, Kirk Bridger wrote: > The more I've looked at this issue the less I think that simply creating YAPL > (yet another pattern library) is the solution. Gnome has few unique patterns > - or am I wrong there? Well, 'unique' patterns isn't necessarily the goal... there i

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

Maybe, we can start a wiki for this or something? :D Wanna discuss this on the next GNOME Design Office Hour? That's in 13 and half hours on #gnome-design On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Kirk Bridger wrote: > The more I've looked at this issue the less I think that simply creating > YAPL (yet

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

The more I've looked at this issue the less I think that simply creating YAPL (yet another pattern library) is the solution. Gnome has few unique patterns - or am I wrong there? That might be a good discussion point actually. And then involve KDE/XFCE/etc. Are there really unique patterns

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

On 28 Sep 2010, at 16:58, Kirk Bridger wrote: > Thanks Calum - I saw that last week sometime and it has given me pause. I'm > working through these questions in my work and I'm starting to refine my > proposal. Pattern library shouldn't really be the "top-level" of the > hierarchy as I had s

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

Thanks Calum - I saw that last week sometime and it has given me pause. I'm working through these questions in my work and I'm starting to refine my proposal. Pattern library shouldn't really be the "top-level" of the hierarchy as I had suggested. I'd like some more time to refine things an

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

On 7 Sep 2010, at 18:44, Kirk Bridger wrote: > I'm actually tackling a similar problem in my "real job" right now. > > I found this to be an interesting look at what a pattern library is and what > it should not be . It's > a quick read tha

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

What could be our next step? :) On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Calum Benson wrote: > > On 7 Sep 2010, at 15:58, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > There is a chance that Google would have some interest in a pattern > > library, but of course they could easily do it all themselves and it > > might be d

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

On 7 Sep 2010, at 15:58, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > There is a chance that Google would have some interest in a pattern > library, but of course they could easily do it all themselves and it > might be difficult to get a hold of the right person. >From memory, Google already has its own (internal)

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

On 8 Sep 2010, at 04:28, Allan Caeg wrote: > I agree with Kirk. The two desktops can share the same UI patterns, but they > may have different "components" or whatever it's called. > > Where do you think can we start? We've already started, with the GNOME 3.x pattern library. It's at an early

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

Many years ago I have started working on Libgreat Tao, but I forgot about this project very quickly. I try to find little spare of time and public source code of my library. Sławomir Lach, Poland. Dnia 2010-09-08, śro o godzinie 13:39 +0800, Allan Caeg pisze: > I like it. > > I'll tell Celeste

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

I think there are two paths to start down: 1 - Find a pattern library we all like and want to grow from/use. "We all" being the various desktop teams. This would be a cross-team initiative so we may need to start with just getting representation. 2 - Begin/continue building the Gnome librar

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

I like it. I'll tell Celeste about this later. Is that okay? :) On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Kirk Bridger wrote: > I think there are two paths to start down: > > 1 - Find a pattern library we all like and want to grow from/use. "We all" > being the various desktop teams. This would be a c

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

I agree with Kirk. The two desktops can share the same UI patterns, but they may have different "components" or whatever it's called. Where do you think can we start? On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Kirk Bridger wrote: > I'm actually tackling a similar problem in my "real job" right now. > > I

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

I'm actually tackling a similar problem in my "real job" right now. I found this to be an interesting look at what a pattern library is and what it should not be . It's a quick read that could then lead to an interesting discussion. For e

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 09:28 -0430, Dario Soto wrote: > how are webapps and gnome related? Web-apps can be a source of inspiration and there is this idea that open-source in general and GNOME specifically should be more present in that area. Some patterns will be independent of the web vs desktop q

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

how are webapps and gnome related? On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 14:28 +0800, Allan Caeg wrote: > >> How do you think can we do this? Also, who else (other than KDE >> usability) do we communicate with? > > Sharing ressources and tackling the same p

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 14:28 +0800, Allan Caeg wrote: > How do you think can we do this? Also, who else (other than KDE > usability) do we communicate with? Sharing ressources and tackling the same problems only once are good ideas. Though there will likely remain a few environmemnt-specific patte

[Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

Hello! Remember the Compliance to GNOME UI Patterns of Cross-Platform Appsthread? I emailed Celeste Lyn Paul from the KDE Usability team about the possibility of working on a cross-desktop UI Pattern library. This way, Cross-platf