Re: [Unity-design] Let's talk about sorting arrows

2014-02-20 Thread Jonathan Meek
I would file a bug against the light-themes on launchpad. Design can take a look at it from there and decide what to do. This is one of the most critical times to file such a bug with the next LTS around the corner (Which is shaping up to be quite the treat even if I'm much more interested in 14.10

Re: [Unity-design] Ubuntu startup sound for 14.04 LTS

2013-09-10 Thread Jonathan Meek
I don't want to be rude, but could you provide some kind of proof of your identity? (Such as a picture of yourself with today's date or a post to your official twitter mentioning Ubuntu-- perhaps not this list so it doesn't balloon again-- yeah, one of those?) This is a mailing list that is more or

Re: [Unity-design] How do the brand style guidelines relate to the desktop?

2013-04-13 Thread Jonathan Meek
Does this mean we will be getting desktop design outlook in the near future or should we be waiting patiently and experimenting while the toolkit is hammered down on the mobile front/web front first? I've heard that the apps will be given a desktop form factor as well and I assume the same toolkit

Re: [Unity-design] end user ajustable Global menu Blacklist

2013-01-29 Thread Jonathan Meek
Oh, yay, this discussion again. It's been done to death many times over. The horse is no longer recognizable. Let's go point by point, shall we? 1. Usability Yep. Discoverability takes a hit. We know. 2. Ergonomics If you're using focus follows mouse and don't already know about it? Sure. Otherw

Re: [Unity-design] web apps and the launcher [was: webapps and the sound menu]

2013-01-15 Thread Jonathan Meek
Okay so was messing about on the web yesterday and found out that Firefox's web store existed. Decided to take it for a spin with its HTML5 solitaire app. Clicked install and it gives me a chrome less window that also had a launcher item separate from Firefox itself. This was in 12.04. Needless to

Re: [Unity-design] web apps and the launcher [was: webapps and the sound menu]

2013-01-10 Thread Jonathan Meek
t domain on >> you. This seems like an easy fix. Do you code? >> >> > Yes, but I'm a web developer, and I code in Perl and I know a bit of > python. If it's C or C++, it's out of my area... And I would have to learn > bzr and anything else needed. > >

Re: [Unity-design] webapps and the sound menu

2013-01-09 Thread Jonathan Meek
A bit late, but I would like to add my own thoughts to this: I absolutely agree with Mr. Bicha about web-apps in 12.10 (having finally downloaded it to test the new toolkit). They are a bit of a mess. And I, as a seasoned user, find their launcher behavior almost indecipherable given the context. A

Re: [Unity-design] Rendering of appmenus in Unity

2012-11-29 Thread Jonathan Meek
If we were to do this, the title would need be moved over so the menu doesn't overlap the launcher. Then something needs to go into that corner. Window controls would be a bit confusing when not connected to any specific application visually. Moving the menu into the app is a no go because HUD won'

Re: [Unity-design] What do we do with the file manager?

2012-08-09 Thread Jonathan Meek
Nautilus is just the latest thing the eyes have fallen on. It's really indicative of the bigger picture... Take what I wrote here, for instance: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/ubuntu-design-micro-vs-macro NONE of the next generation GNOME applications are going to fit in with Ubuntu. We can ke

Re: [Unity-design] Unity panel can use some improvements

2012-07-27 Thread Jonathan Meek
Don't forget: another reason for not pushing transparency in addition to yours is text. There is a lot of text in the menu bar and that text doesn't play nice with cameleonic/transparent backgrounds. Hence why the indicators should/do have a solid background as well. On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:16

Re: [Unity-design] Ubuntu 12.04 can't run on my computer

2012-07-16 Thread Jonathan Meek
Aviv, I'm sorry to hear that, but this list is not the place for such mails. You might try your hand on Ask Ubuntu and see what help they may give you. On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Aviv wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I was using Ubuntu 11.10 up untill recently. It worked fine. I decided to > up

Re: [Unity-design] A better Ubuntu Unity Launcher - Part I (mockup)

2012-07-15 Thread Jonathan Meek
Good as a mock up, bad in practice. Coloring creates contrast issues. Not having the "shields" may leave an app disconnected from a badge if it's not square. The squared dots are inconsistent with indicator "now running" chevrons and, while I like the grouping thing pretty sure Apple might be m

Re: [Unity-design] Nautilus' Context Menus Getting Out of Hand

2012-06-27 Thread Jonathan Meek
Sent it along to Nautilus' list. Still no reply over whether they will even accept it. On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On 24 June 2012 03:35, Jonathan Meek wrote: > > Someone asked me to get some info to them about Nautilus' menu when right > &g

Re: [Unity-design] Nautilus' Context Menus Getting Out of Hand

2012-06-24 Thread Jonathan Meek
> > Merely as a data point, my parents have resized the icons on their desktop >> to be larger, for three reasons; the computer is on the big TV in their >> living room, so they sit some distance from it; their eyesight is not as >> great as it used to be and therefore being able to see the icon mo

Re: [Unity-design] Nautilus' Context Menus Getting Out of Hand

2012-06-24 Thread Jonathan Meek
The reason for not having "Open with Image Viewer >" in a single line: Users may want to click this item and having an action also being a sub-menu is contrary to EVERY single other sub-menu. Open with Image Viewer" is a command, "Open With" leaves room for expansion. As someone pointed out, thoug

[Unity-design] Nautilus' Context Menus Getting Out of Hand

2012-06-24 Thread Jonathan Meek
Someone asked me to get some info to them about Nautilus' menu when right clicking an image file, this is what I was confronted with: Open with Image Viewer --- Open With > --- Cut Copy --- Make Link Rename... Copy

Re: [Unity-design] So long, printing menu, we hardly knew you

2012-05-14 Thread Jonathan Meek
t such. On May 15, 2012 12:33 AM, "Jonathan Meek" wrote: > I think this raises a more important issue: If an indicator remains miss > able (as I believe it was said messaging menu suffers from as well) does > this mean we're doing indicators wrong or is it down to learned

Re: [Unity-design] So long, printing menu, we hardly knew you

2012-05-14 Thread Jonathan Meek
I think this raises a more important issue: If an indicator remains miss able (as I believe it was said messaging menu suffers from as well) does this mean we're doing indicators wrong or is it down to learned behaviors working against users? In other words why aren't indicators indicating? I thi

Re: [Unity-design] Moderation

2012-05-13 Thread Jonathan Meek
I'll volunteer to help in whatever way I can. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~unity-design Post to : unity-design@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~unity-design More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Unity-design] unity-distilled list proposal

2012-05-03 Thread Jonathan Meek
I think it's a fabulous idea, but down the line how do we prevent the same "rot" from happening due to new users not knowing what's been discussed? Should we document the major discussions? And why create yet another list and not just do a reformation for this one? Can't the use you propose for th

Re: [Unity-design] Compiz Spread

2012-02-28 Thread Jonathan Meek
Designs are currently in place to show the application titles in the top bar on hover as well as work out an option for closing from within the spread. On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Nekhelesh Ramananthan < krnekhel...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > The compiz spread that is currently seen in

Re: [Unity-design] Tweaking ubuntu interface just a little bit

2012-02-28 Thread Jonathan Meek
> > Why would you "stretch" them out ? > > in every type of quicklist is *truncated*: > > And, if they are truncated, they run the risk of losing all inherent value. Also, you need to define how long is too long while considering the font size on Ubuntu Quicklists is larger than 7's so we can't hav

Re: [Unity-design] Tweaking ubuntu interface just a little bit

2012-02-28 Thread Jonathan Meek
> > I think a list of open windows could be added to the quicklist. Is simple > and would come in handy. > > Let's say you do this, right now, writing this email, the name of my window is "Gmail - Tweaking ubuntu interface just a little bit - obscure.em...@notreal.com - Google Chrome" And web title

[Unity-design] Are there plans to add "Reboot" item to the power-cog menu in panel?

2012-02-28 Thread Jonathan Meek
> > Yeah, I've clicked it. > for me clicking "printers" in the Power-Cog and clicking "Printing" in the > System Settings launches the exact same panel/window. If a difference > exists, this weakens the case for changing the order. > The point is that it is NOT a Control Center panel that it launc

Re: [Unity-design] Tweaking ubuntu interface just a little bit

2012-02-28 Thread Jonathan Meek
> > 1) Hard to rate music > > I asked them to rate music, the average time was 16.3 seconds with > banshee running when it was off the time ruffly rose by 10 seconds, they > all agreed that it is to hard and keeps the users from enjoying the > music so what i propose: > Banshee is no longer the d

[Unity-design] Are there plans to add "Reboot" item to the power-cog menu in panel?

2012-02-28 Thread Jonathan Meek
> > "Printers" is also a shortcut to a panel in the system settings. > Have you clicked this item? For me it launches a separate application dealing with the printing queue. No, it does not launch the control panel itself (yet). > clicking "Displays" also launches software to utilize displays.

Re: [Unity-design] FW: Are there plans to add "Reboot" item to the power-cog menu in panel?

2012-02-28 Thread Jonathan Meek
"Displays" is a shortcut to a panel in the system settings while "Printers" and (for me) "Webcam" in the middle section launch software to utilize those things. This sort of categorization breaks down when considering why "Software Up-to-Date" (Which really irks me that that is still not hyphenated

Re: [Unity-design] Is there a reason Ctrl+Alt+Left/Right/Up/Down was disabled?

2012-02-27 Thread Jonathan Meek
I'd like to point out that the new key combination presents quite an annoying behavior as well: Whenever I test +shift+arrow, if I delay a little too long, the shortcuts overlay pops up and obscures my view of the content. And If I'm just trying to check what's on that desktop, that's a usability i

Re: [Unity-design] Unity Scrollbars with a touch screen are very hard to use.

2012-02-27 Thread Jonathan Meek
This is what gestures are for. Scrollbars are there primarily for notifying you of the length of a document and where you are in it. For touch screens, you have a scroll gesture (a flick or two finger drag to move content); for desktop interfaces (which Unity is designed for) you have a scroll whee

Re: [Unity-design] Ubuntu, Toolkits, Precision, and the Future

2012-02-27 Thread Jonathan Meek
While I'm sure that is the intent, no, Qt doesn't look 100% native. It looks MOSTLY right, but it is still off. Things like the buttons looking slightly different, randomly using bold for button text, still using GTK 2 (just nitpicking there, I'm sure that's being worked on). And that's partly the

Re: [Unity-design] Remove Pornographic Apps from the "Apps available for download"

2012-02-23 Thread Jonathan Meek
This is a mailing list about Unity's design, please reign it in. On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad < joerlend.schins...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 24. feb. 2012 02:20, cmaglothin wrote: > >> >> He didn't say take them out of the market, I think he meant take them out >> of the sugg

Re: [Unity-design] Ubuntu, Toolkits, Precision, and the Future

2012-02-23 Thread Jonathan Meek
> > Ubuntu isn't about choice though. One of Ubuntu's foundational > principles was that it would be a Linux distribution where the > developers make the intelligent, informed decisions so people don't > have to answer 20 questions just to use it. For instance, only one web > browser is installed b

Re: [Unity-design] Ubuntu, Toolkits, Precision, and the Future

2012-02-23 Thread Jonathan Meek
> > So instead of improving the appearance of, say, the XUL toolkit, you'd > prefer rewriting Firefox and Thunderbird in a completely different toolkit > (or, shudder, dropping Firefox in favor of a more "native" browser such as > Epiphany). Fortunately, that's just not going to happen because, sim

Re: [Unity-design] Ubuntu, Toolkits, Precision, and the Future

2012-02-23 Thread Jonathan Meek
You're right that the vanilla isn't very good. But does that somehow mean that we can't make it better? Just because those examples are bad, doesn't preclude the possibility. Now, don't put words in my mouth: I didn't say make TDF make a GTK version of LibreOffice. I did say there was room for exc

[Unity-design] Ubuntu, Toolkits, Precision, and the Future

2012-02-23 Thread Jonathan Meek
I was greeted by a small surprise today in updating my Precise machines: a new version of Ubuntu One controls that is made using Qt. All well enough, as it can make it much easier to share code with the Windows version of the app... But there are still some consequences. First of all, this brings

Re: [Unity-design] Smooth Transition from Login

2012-02-17 Thread Jonathan Meek
I'm interested in how this works. With my idea, the important thing is that something is done to cover transition. The only reason I still think my idea is more relevant is because my own idea isn't an animation for the sake of an animation. Mine was meant to convey an idea as much as being a trans

Re: [Unity-design] Smooth Transition from Login

2012-02-17 Thread Jonathan Meek
> Thanks Jonathan for your ideas here - they're the most detailed ones so > far! The animation bit I'm struggling to understand though… > > So, to help clarify, my idea, which is only a rough idea and needs working is something like the following case for the user logging in: - The user hits en

[Unity-design] Smooth Transition from Login

2012-02-16 Thread Jonathan Meek
Given the new behaviour of Unity-greeter, it's somewhat astounding that the transition from log-in to desktop was not addressed. We still have a very stuttery implementation currently. Now, going back, I believe Sam Spilsbury posted on his blog about the idea of a mini compositor to alleviate that

Re: [Unity-design] Integrating Google's NaCl could help solve the Chicken and egg dilema in ubuntu?

2012-02-08 Thread Jonathan Meek
I'd just like to point out a bit of an issue with this: this still encourages the idea that developing specifically for Ubuntu should be a side thought. Why bother working on something native that runs even better when you can get an okay implementation that people will still use? I disagree with