dded attention. I think it's important since that information
can come from anywhere. (There might be a Messages menu in the current
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doing it, then we'd be fermenting differences and off-topic
would grow completely out of control.
There are messages that are off-topic for Unity, but on-topic for
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is something I can easily discuss for hundreds of hours. But I need to
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me, that I should be forced out of the community because of my
non-religious beliefs – weird as they may be.
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a needs
to be added automatically. Otherwise, you're still adapting to the
system, and not vice versa.
It sounds like a fairly simple task, but I think it's something that
needs to mature over large amounts of time. But there's no obstacles to
develop something like this right no
gt;
Zeitgeist can pretty much provide this right now. Would need a good GUI,
though. Replacing the filesystem itself, is something else entirely.
Think I can just guarantee that won't happen.
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at exactly does it mean that it'll be public,
unmoderated and invite-only? If the goal is to enhance the debates, I
think it's important that anyone is able to lurk and learn. I also think
such a list should have very clearly defined scopes.
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Do all single-instance, single-window applications have anything special
in common?
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story and not everything else?
> There should be something similar to Android launcher where you can
> simply drag an item to the trash and delete it.
I wrote about that. You can do it in Gnome Activity Journal. Right click
and "Delete item from Journal".
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It's not obvious that any data a scope encapsulates, comes from a web
based service. You might have an LDAP catalog of people, for instance,
which requires some form of authentication/authorization.
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currently no way to do that, or at least no unified way.
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Den 24. april 2012 16:28, skrev Alan Bell:
> On 24/04/12 14:57, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
>> I'll take the opportunity to remind everyone of the
>> http://lists.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-app-devel mailinglist. (I'm CCing it).
>> I don't think logging in and that type
should be done in lenses
at all. I'd present the user with a normal dialog if there isn't a valid
OAuth token. But it is an interesting question. Perhaps "Authorization
required" should be seen as messages and added to the message menu with
a red envelope?
Just an idea.
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tting a very nice reception from the Gnome design team.
>
All applications that use GtkRecentManager will automatically work
though? I'd think it was more about apps written in Qt, XUL and others.
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can't make good choices without the necessary information.
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p, icon
> to show menu, window title, app name, indicators.
>
This is how it looks in Ubuntu: http://ubuntuone.com/7NFfFgZJl4klWnnickXW8L
Can you explain why we should have another button and add them to the
desktop instead?
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the Locally Integrated Menus. It is
also used in Kubuntu to provide something similar to HUD.
> My thoughts on LIM has been put to rest nicely. Forward to trying
> 12.04 stable with HUD. :)
HUD is actually a fantastic tool. It takes a little for it to become a
natural way of doing things, but
rt.
As far as I'm aware, there's been no discussion about removing global
menus. In thar regard, this is an extra option. But this doesn't really
exist in public yet, so nothing is certain.
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Den 17. april 2012 21:56, skrev Ryan Gauger:
> Could somebody please explain to us what it is please? I don't know
> what it is either. Thanks!
>
I provided a link that explains this, only two hours ago:
https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg08710.html
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alMenu instead of GlobalMenu? I don't know if
> you guys understand what I mean, but I think it could be a good way
> for LIM to operate.
All of these questions were answered by John Lea about a month ago.
Please read it:
https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg08710.html
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– we want to attract those.
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b anyway. What we can do, is
teach, communicate and provide good documentation for all aspects of
Ubuntu. But in order for that to happen, we need a comprehensible
system; for documenters, developers, and users.
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That was the Old Ubuntu. In the New Ubuntu, documentation is easy to
find. There are paths to follow when you want to learn something. All
documentation is obviously either relevant or irrelevant. You should
never ever feel that learning something new is a gamble.
Unity should lead by example.
s important to distinguish between the
implementations and The Specification.
It should also make Unity more attractive as a development platform in
general.
Can we please do this? It'll make it so much easier to communicate
properly.
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going to take a
while I imagine but then it was also slow when it had the big
application shortcuts in 11.10.
It's not so much about CPU. It's mostly a matter of having a good driver
for your VGA.
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n, but you are able to. That is
why Alt is more suitable as a default than any other key on the
keyboard, except maybe Caps-Lock, but that's in use by developers all
the time, so that shouldn't be default.
In any case, you should be able to write with both hands. Always.
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comfortably. I'd very much like to get a keyboard with a slightly
smaller space bar so that super and alt could be moved further to the
right. But without changing the layout radically, I see no way I would
ever be able to use Ctrl as comfortab
;s much more
comfortable than the Ctrl-key, which requires me to lift my arm or twist
my hand.
Do you have a weird keyboard, or do you have weird hands? :)
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table, right? :)
The Alt-key has been used like that for decades. For instance, to access
File > Open, you do Alt+F, Alt+O. Doing things like that is much,
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index finger on F, I can easily access Alt with my left thumb.
There's no way for me to access Ctrl without moving away from F or J.
I do use Alt all the time, though. To switch between tabs, for instance.
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Den 14. april 2012 17:19, skrev supernova:
ALT is easier to touch only for me?
Supernova
Yes, it's easier for you. It's easier for me too. :)
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g Alt "copy" more often than I use
Ctrl+C. Though Alt "save" requires more keystrokes, it's both faster and
more comfortable than using Ctrl+S, since that requires me to move my
hands. If the access key for HUD was moved to Ctrl, it would be far less
useful for me.
. Hackers
like it.
You hit CTRL once to launch expressive HUD gui. Regular users like it.
I don't really understand that question. Why is CTRL better than Alt?
And what do you mean by "cryptic HUD action"?
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esign tool-kit and Unity Task Switching specification.
Someone should have a look at how emails are sent out when people use
that contact thing.
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art of the
code is just a part of the code.
What do you say? Please, reply!
My understanding is that there won't be time to allow LIM to go into
12.04 at all?
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tting under the tree with the
forbidden fruit. )
Just saying.. :)
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icult when you can't rely on locations. Homeless dotfiles too,
annoys me to no end.
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red, since it's likely that many of those who will design
those other products are paying attention to this list, I might as well
bring it up here. What do you think?
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software from one user to
another.
Interesting question, and I think it would be useful in other situations
as well. However, I don't think this list is the right place for that
discussion. I'd take it to ubuntu-app-de...@lists.ubuntu.com.
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is; what would be better? At least for now, I think the term "social
networks" is better. Or "microblogs". I guess it all depends on how
Gwibber will be used in the future.
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I very much agree with that. I'd think most users now have another way
of scrolling than clicking and dragging the scrollbars, but some do, and
they shouldn't be neglec
ications that have no visible interface, but is designed
specifically for the HUD, like my Quickly-thing is. That changes things.
And I think those kinds of applications can be quite useful. So to me,
the question is not if, but how. I don't think it necessarily has to be
too complicated. Ad
s like
a useful feature. This is a way to use menu structures that isn't common
for visible menus, but I imagine this will be quite useful for many
applications that has deep structures and wants to optimize for the HUD.
So I hope I can get some feedback on this.
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a charming guy. But the virtualization thing caused some major
problems for him. For instance, it wasn't possible to discover menus or
window controls because of the top panel.
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to provide more specific examples. It was very
difficult to understand what you meant.
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ruptive on this mailing list, because it
creates noise that has nothing to do with software development.
I would also consider the possibility that people will add your address
to their spam filters.
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, etc.
This is the effect we need. But that requires that after 30-60 minutes,
the user will feel confident that this is something they will be able to
learn if they choose to. There must be no confusion or negative
surprises during that first hour.
To me, the dodge effect was cool
lay with, which helps
promote Unity in general.
Does it make sense, and is it something you'll be willing to consider in
the future?
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Den 07. mars 2012 15:28, skrev Paul Sladen:
Please could you file this in a bug on Launchpad:
Done: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/949032. There wasn't really
that much to add, though. :)
But I'm glad to hear it's supposed to work.
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Den 07. mars 2012 15:19, skrev Colin Law:
On 7 March 2012 13:42, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
Since Rhythmbox is in the sound menu and you can access play controls from
it directly, I expected it to be accessible with HUD as well. It isn't.
It is for me (running unity-2d if that is rel
Since Rhythmbox is in the sound menu and you can access play controls
from it directly, I expected it to be accessible with HUD as well. It
isn't.
Are there any plans to make it so, and in that case, will it be
internationalized?
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For instance, it doesn't remove the model from the view before updating,
which probably makes it a lot slower than it should. And it doesn't look
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;t want a quicklist item for it. When you pin an
application, it should automatically get an entry in startup
applications, but it should remain unchecked.
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. You should also be able to do
it without opening the spread view, but then by pressing Alt, tapping
the button above tab and then enter a number.
It's not too far fetched?
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s and hold Alt, tap BAT, press a number and release Alt. Not
quite as powerful as super+num, but I still think it would be an
improvement. We'd need some way to organize windows though.
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want it to automatically start, wouldn't you also pin it to the
launcher? It would add some "false positives", but it's easier to remove
an entry than it is to create one, so that shouldn't be a problem.
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something else.
The tool itself is great. It just needs a different "add" dialog that
presents applications instead of recently used files and folders.
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This is no
doubt a bug. When you want to add an application, only applications
should be shown, not the recently used media files.
Setting an application to start automatically is something anyone and
almost everyone should want to do.
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I filed a bug about it here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/945847
It seems completely obvious to me that the "speed bump" shouldn't be be
used when the launcher is set to always visible.
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s a bug and the
solution would be using different values based on the visible-setting on
the launcher.
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without leaning forward and looking for it.
What about using a spinner of the same size as the entry, above the
icon, but below the other status indications?
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ut it
would also make it more comfortable to browse by category.
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all around you are loosing theirs, then you've probably switched
to Ubuntu" :)
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than
indicator as its currently being used, simply because it's just a menu
and doesn't indicate anything.
With regards to Skype, you'll have to use Skype/Microsofts bug tracker,
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Den 28. feb. 2012 20:00, skrev Lance:
PS: nit-picker that I am, one thing I wish I could do is add the date
to the clock display, eg: Tue Feb 28, 12:58 PM.
Look in System Settings > Time and date > Clock. That's where you add
the date and other things.
Cool, huh? :)
-
On 28. feb. 2012 17:40, Omar B. wrote:
>The same way you accidentally trigger the Launcher.
is always visible now.
And the problem with accidentally opening the launcher has been fixed by
adding reveal pressure.
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ive preferences. It
would be a good thing if these things were collected in one place, I
think. Perhaps adding Launcher and Indicators to the System Settings >
Appearance panel?
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"Alt+BAT (Button Above Tab)". BAT is
TAB in reverse, which makes it even easier to remember. Íf everybody
does it, then together we can change the world! Or, maybe at least
create a new expression. :)
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hat's what most
people would expect from tab completion, so I don't think that'd disturb
anything. Even when using tab completion, you should be able to skip
parts of the path.
Did that make more sense? :)
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e, such as for a group of
leaf nodes. It's not very important to me, of course. It would just make
things cleaner, and reduce the need to chop parts of the path when it
isn't necessary.
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7;s worth keeping in mind that tab completion wouldn't change anything
for people who doesn't use it anyway. It would still be possible to
search for "test history" and navigate by arrow keys, but the search
itself would be much slower.
Thoughts?
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deration as a pure usability issue.
In any case, I think this would be cleaner than repeating the entire
path over and over.
Thoughts?
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g:
user: Adrian
did: open
file:
url: http://blablabla
available: yes
type: image
mime type: blabla
description: mockup to make browsing easier
in: Firefox
by: clicking on a link
in: Thunderbird
because: it was mentioned
by: Josh Strawbridge
in: email thread
what
will happen when we're finally able to ditch IPv4 and people are able to
connect their computers to others and share data freely. If you're
famiar with Last.fm's Scrobbler system, consider a digital life
scrobbler that you can share directly with your friends without giant
easy to
do, though it obviously requires some work. Doing that using
hierarchical structures, would be much more difficult. Using metadata to
describe data content instead of just referring to a location, makes it
possible to do extremely cool things with relative ease.
That's what the se
On 26. feb. 2012 18:12, Adrian Maier wrote:
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 17:08, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
wrote:
On 26. feb. 2012 14:55, Adrian Maier wrote:
Yes , that's the point . With a classic apps menu it's super-easy to see
the big picture : see what applications are available .
Agai
On 26. feb. 2012 11:35, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
On 02/25/2012 10:03 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
Each added step reduces the likelihood that a user becomes aware and
sure of the functionality and completes the task. Setting a "Filter"
does not fit well into a browsing approach.
requently. I
don't understand why anyone would want to optimize for things they
hardly ever do. Your email did point out some very strong reasons why
the new system is far better, however.
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On 26. feb. 2012 13:50, Davor wrote:
I don`t have control over "Most frequently used" and i like more control.
How is it possible that you don't have control over what applications
you use most frequently?
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n the case with
Transmission, when you really tell it to quit, it will display a dialog
asking you to wait for status updates to be sent, etc. This can take
some time. How will this be handled?
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archy. A lot of people seems to
have forgotten this already.
It's perfectly legal to mean that using searches to access things is a
bad idea, but nearly all users will disagree with you.
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an try reducing it and see if that helps?
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ication is used, the less frequently you'll have to look
for it as well, meaning it's not the most important aspect to optimize.
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d ever find objectionable. I'm not saying
it isn't possible to find solutions to these issues, but I think it's an
extreme challenge.
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ing I think should be looked into before release.
In any case, when people come here for the first time and do their best
to provide information about problems or hints about possible solutions,
it's unacceptable for them to get their heads chopped off.
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lt+tab _does_ only switch between applications. We use alt+(button
above tab) to switch between windows. Same solution, different keys. :)
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no longer intend to spend too much energy with
discussing on this topic .
From my point of view the issue is solved : now I am aware about
several possibilities that will allow me to happily use Unity without
cursing every 5 minutes .
Sure. There's lots of good software on the internet that
he PornView
application, which is quite appropriate, but would still be offensive to
some people. As I stated earlier, I don't think the applications lens
should display software from the software center by default at all. But
that doesn't have anything to do with what's permi
e the gnome panel.
Hopefully this package will be available in the real repositories
someday(now it's in ppa).
I personally think that's not the right place for it, since it doesn't
indicate anything.
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unds as if
you want to change the behavior because you're not used to it. But
that's not something good design should be based on. Of course, it will
always be possible to add something like that if you want it, but that
doesn't mean it should be default for all users.
But if the main idea was implemented, Ubuntu would most likely seize to
exist. Hackers tend not to be extremely focused on helping to create
global sensorship. Apple seems to be more interested in participating in
that than Microsoft and GNU/Linux is.
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e minds of the young by prohibiting information. :)
I think I'll go listen to a CD of Frank Zappa now.
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rnographic application*
It doesn't matter, you know. It allures to the possibility of naked
animals creating offspring. The mere concept is off the scale!
This is fun! :)
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eligion to be a decease. That doesn't
mean I hate the patient. Quite the contrary. I feel great compassion for
those who suffer from it.
But this is Ubuntu. We can't be responsible for your health.
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P
You are becoming a dangerous class of countries; USA, Iran and China.
Not all that different, when seen from the outside, but certainly
dangerous.
Do you really want to discuss porn vs religion with me? I can go on. I
really can go on much further than you are probably prepared for.
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