Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-29 Thread Steve Cook
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 23:10 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: > Steve, > > Steve Cook wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 18:28 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: > >> BTW, anyone else had trouble with CD burning after upgrading? > > > > Yep! > > just spent an 'orrible evening trying to get Hardy to do something >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-29 Thread Huw Selley
Hi, Pete Stean wrote: > I've started to observe behaviour over the last couple of weeks that > definitely indicates that BT are throttling torrents at peak times, at > least in my part of London - from early morning right through to early > evening on weekdays, popular torrents will saturat

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-28 Thread Mark Allison
> > To be honest, I think that if I pay my ISP a reasonable amount (£25 > atm), as long as I don't take the micky with the amount I download, I > should be able to utilise whichever services I require. > > I'm still shaped heavily despite spending all that cash and > transferring less than 10 G

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-28 Thread Chris Rowson
> > Indeed ISPs don't care about port numbers (and why should they?). They > inspect packets and throttle bandwidth hoggers (this is termed packet > shaping). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_shaping > > I'm glad they do this because that means that most people's primary use of > the internet i

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-28 Thread Matthew Wild
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Mark Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Indeed ISPs don't care about port numbers (and why should they?). They > inspect packets and throttle bandwidth hoggers (this is termed packet > shaping). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_shaping > This would be why my

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-28 Thread Mark Allison
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Pete, > > > > Pete Stean wrote: > > > I've started to observe behaviour over the last couple of weeks that > > > definitely indicates that

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-28 Thread Tony Arnold
Chris, Chris Rowson wrote: > Also, try enabling encrypted connections in your bittorent client. Some > ISPs perform packet inspection and will throttle your bandwidth when > they see bittorent related packets flying by. Encrypting your bittorent > traffic hides it from them Which BitTornado,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-28 Thread Tony Arnold
Steve, Steve Cook wrote: > On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 18:28 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: >> BTW, anyone else had trouble with CD burning after upgrading? > > Yep! > just spent an 'orrible evening trying to get Hardy to do something > sensible with CD-RWs. I've seen a bug reported about this, but no solu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-28 Thread Steve Cook
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 18:28 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: > BTW, anyone else had trouble with CD burning after upgrading? Yep! just spent an 'orrible evening trying to get Hardy to do something sensible with CD-RWs. steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ub

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-28 Thread Chris Rowson
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pete, > > Pete Stean wrote: > > I've started to observe behaviour over the last couple of weeks that > > definitely indicates that BT are throttling torrents at peak times, at > > least in my part of London - from early morn

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-28 Thread Stephen O'Neill
Andrew Oakley wrote: > The secret is, prior to upgrading, slim down your install to official > packages only. [snip] > Most upgrade horror stories appear to be related to packages not in the > official Ubuntu repos. That's great advice from all you guys - it's really appreciated. -- Stephen

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-28 Thread Tony Arnold
Pete, Pete Stean wrote: > I've started to observe behaviour over the last couple of weeks that > definitely indicates that BT are throttling torrents at peak times, at > least in my part of London - from early morning right through to early > evening on weekdays, popular torrents will saturate my

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-28 Thread Andrew Oakley
Stephen O'Neill wrote: > I have been very tempted to do a fresh install too - tracker never > seemed to work for me and I'm convinced that I'm not getting 100% > shinyness having upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy and now Hardy through the > various hacks/workarounds that I've done along the way. > > W

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-28 Thread Pete Stean
No Steve, if it's not to much trouble to reconfigure your system the way you want it, I would do a fresh install. >From my experience last night, a fresh, newly-installed Hardy using the release CD is far and away faster and slimmer than the accreted mass I'd accumulated over a couple of months. H

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-28 Thread Tony Travis
Stephen O'Neill wrote: > Tony Arnold wrote: >> I've been the same and am sore;y tempted to re-install from scratch. > > > I have been very tempted to do a fresh install too - tracker never > seemed to work for me and I'm convinced that I'm not getting 100% > shinyness having upgraded from Feisty

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-28 Thread Stephen Garton
2008/4/28 Stephen O'Neill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > What do others think? - am I being needlessly paranoid, will I do the > 'fresh install' and end up being disappointed given that everything > currently seems to 'work'? Maybe 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'? > > -- After going Gutsy>Hardy, I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-28 Thread Stephen O'Neill
Tony Arnold wrote: > I've been the same and am sore;y tempted to re-install from scratch. I have been very tempted to do a fresh install too - tracker never seemed to work for me and I'm convinced that I'm not getting 100% shinyness having upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy and now Hardy through the v

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-28 Thread Pete Stean
I've started to observe behaviour over the last couple of weeks that definitely indicates that BT are throttling torrents at peak times, at least in my part of London - from early morning right through to early evening on weekdays, popular torrents will saturate my connection but will start slowing

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-28 Thread Huw Selley
On 28 Apr 2008, at 16:23, Tony Arnold wrote: >> > > I've always used BitTornado, which has been good enough for my meagre > requirements. I've never been that impressed with bittorrent, direct > downloads have always seemed faster to me. Maybe it's the client I'm > using. I would suspect its

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-28 Thread Tony Arnold
Pete, Pete Stean wrote: > Just as a slight aside I've been on Hardy since Alpha and installed > updates as I've gone along. I seem to have accumulated all sorts of > niggly little problems but last night decided to bite the bullet and > re-installed clean from the Hardy release ISO (having my pers

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-28 Thread Pete Stean
Just as a slight aside I've been on Hardy since Alpha and installed updates as I've gone along. I seem to have accumulated all sorts of niggly little problems but last night decided to bite the bullet and re-installed clean from the Hardy release ISO (having my personal files under /home in a separ

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-27 Thread Stephen O'Neill
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen O'Neill wrote: | I *think* that I just have broken sound now ... nearly there :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/213206 ... led me to ... $ sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset ... which seems to have made my sound better

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-27 Thread Stephen O'Neill
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen O'Neill wrote: | I now have Hardy... been having 'fun' so far though I *think* that I just have broken sound now ... nearly there :) - -- Stephen O'Neill w: http://www.thefloatingfrog.co.uk/ e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-25 Thread Kris Douglas
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Stephen O'Neill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I now have Hardy... been having 'fun' so far though - lots of xorg and > xserver dependency/conflict problems during the upgrade to start with. I > had to uninstall

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-25 Thread Stephen O'Neill
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I now have Hardy... been having 'fun' so far though - lots of xorg and xserver dependency/conflict problems during the upgrade to start with. I had to uninstall the nvidia-glx-new package, upgrade packages (xorg-core installed at this point) then re-in

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-25 Thread Andrew Oakley
Stephen O'Neill wrote: > Had a go last night but gave up as various things kept timing out and How I upgraded Gutsy was to download the alternate install CD, and install from that. Make sure you tell it NOT to download updates whilst installing. Once that's done it doesn't have much more to dow

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-25 Thread Tony Travis
Stephen O'Neill wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Seriously you lot - will you stop upgrading so I can have a go? :P > > Had a go last night but gave up as various things kept timing out and > now I apparently have 5 days 18 hours and 13 minutes remaining. I may > just

[ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 8.04

2008-04-25 Thread Stephen O'Neill
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Seriously you lot - will you stop upgrading so I can have a go? :P Had a go last night but gave up as various things kept timing out and now I apparently have 5 days 18 hours and 13 minutes remaining. I may just be a little more patient and wait a few