Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Profile

2007-10-29 Thread Darren Mansell
Renjith Nair wrote: > Hi David, > > You are not the only one with wireless issues on Ubuntu. I have helped > several people to get their wireless working on Ubuntu.. After several > hours of tweaking when it finally start working, they make a statement > that ' it is so easy to do this stuff in

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Profile

2007-10-29 Thread Mark Harrison
John Levin wrote: > LeeGroups wrote: > >> I seriously don't get why people 'think everything just works' in Windows... >> Most people aren't interested in arguments about whether Windows has similar problems. Most people aren't interested in upgrading Operating Systems. Most people enco

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Profile

2007-10-29 Thread John Levin
LeeGroups wrote: >> We need solutions for this problem. All persons won't buy boxes from >> Tesco and so it is necessary that we have to support the commonly >> available wireless cards, even if the manufacturer is not supporting >> Linux. Difficult task to achieve .. but that is the way forwa

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Profile

2007-10-29 Thread Chris Rowson
> Dougie Richardson wrote: > > [...] > > This may happen sooner than expected, with respect to HP: here's an > > interview with HP's Randy Hergett, Director of Engineering > > (http://www.oetrends.com/index.php?view=article&id=955%3Ahp-randy-hergett-shares-hps-open-source-priorities-vision&Itemid=

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Profile

2007-10-29 Thread LeeGroups
> We need solutions for this problem. All persons won't buy boxes from > Tesco and so it is necessary that we have to support the commonly > available wireless cards, even if the manufacturer is not supporting > Linux. Difficult task to achieve .. but that is the way forward. If > the numbe

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Profile

2007-10-29 Thread Dougie Richardson
Hi Tony, > Interesting that they chose Debian for high availability, not RHEL ;-) Doesn't surprise me though. Debian stable is, well, stable... Look at the fuss over New Zealand change to daylight time transition. Dougie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinf

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Profile

2007-10-29 Thread Tony Travis
Dougie Richardson wrote: > [...] > This may happen sooner than expected, with respect to HP: here's an > interview with HP's Randy Hergett, Director of Engineering > (http://www.oetrends.com/index.php?view=article&id=955%3Ahp-randy-hergett-shares-hps-open-source-priorities-vision&Itemid=1&option=co

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Profile

2007-10-29 Thread Dougie Richardson
Hi, On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 12:04 +, Tony Travis wrote: > I've got a HP Pavillion dv5000 with a "Designed for Windows XP" sticker > on it - To me, it makes more sense to devote time and effort to making > sure Ubuntu runs on main-stream commodity PC's 'designed' to run Windows > than asking

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Profile

2007-10-29 Thread Matthew Larsen
It might be good to have a feature in ubuntu, where if something isnt supported you get a little popup (like the update manager) saying that your piece of hardware isnt supported / no drivers etc, and to maybe link to some help or something like that. Maybe refer you to launchpad bugs? I can see w

[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu profile

2007-10-29 Thread davisjo
Hi, Renjith Nair has described exactly my feelings on installing hardware in Linux. I know my problems are caused by lack of experience, something shared by many others. Once installation issues are eased, Ubuntu will sell itself. Regards John-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Profile

2007-10-29 Thread Renjith Nair
I believe the argument is not whether windows is easier than linux or vice versa. That is common man's opinion about linux since he/she expects everything to behave like windows. Everything which behaves differently from Windows is considered to be 'difficult' because they are only used to using w

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Profile

2007-10-29 Thread Sean Miller
I think we are actually agreeing. The start of this particular line of conversation was somebody saying that Linux wasn't doing enough to make installation of wireless cards simple and reliable... my point was that most of the cards that I am using now appear to work pretty much "out of the box" i

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Profile

2007-10-29 Thread Tony Travis
Sean Miller wrote: > [...] > In other words, it isn't the fault of Linux that these cards don't work > but the manufacturers. Hello, Sean. Actually, I disagree - It's Debian fundamentalists who discourage SIMPLE solutions like installing the NDIS 'wrappers' in Ubuntu because using NDIS require

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Profile

2007-10-29 Thread Sean Miller
If I was to take a box that had been cobbled together with various bits and pieces over the years and try to install Vista on it would it be reasonable for me to say to Microsoft "I'm sorry, but you sold me this Vista... now it doesn't work with my hardware... I hold you responsible" ??? In fact,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Profile

2007-10-29 Thread andylockran
Sean Miller wrote: > > Without being a pain in the bottom.. I understand the whole Linux > situation very clearly.. but at the end of the day if it doesn't > work on > Linux then consumers are going to blame Linux - not the manufacturers. > > > No, that's a misconception... nobody w

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Profile

2007-10-29 Thread Renjith Nair
Hi David, You are not the only one with wireless issues on Ubuntu. I have helped several people to get their wireless working on Ubuntu.. After several hours of tweaking when it finally start working, they make a statement that ' it is so easy to do this stuff in windows' . Linux users may not ne

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Profile

2007-10-29 Thread Sean Miller
> Without being a pain in the bottom.. I understand the whole Linux > situation very clearly.. but at the end of the day if it doesn't work on > Linux then consumers are going to blame Linux - not the manufacturers. No, that's a misconception... nobody would buy an Apple Mac and then expect every

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Profile

2007-10-29 Thread andylockran
Sean Miller wrote: > By the way, for the last year or so I have been running my laptop with > a PCMCIA wireless card (BT Voyager 1020) because the onboard wireless > didn't work. > > Miraculously one day recently I clicked on the update buttons and the > onboard now does! Good old Gutsy! > > BT

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Profile

2007-10-29 Thread Sean Miller
By the way, for the last year or so I have been running my laptop with a PCMCIA wireless card (BT Voyager 1020) because the onboard wireless didn't work. Miraculously one day recently I clicked on the update buttons and the onboard now does! Good old Gutsy! BT Voyager 1020 is now merrily sitting

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Profile

2007-10-29 Thread Sean Miller
On the subject of Linux and wireless cards it is an unfair criticism to make... the reason that Linux and wireless has always been such a hotbed of discussion is because the folks that make wireless cards normally don't, by default, make them compatible with Linux, presumably thinking "well, as lon

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Profile

2007-10-29 Thread John Levin
davisjo wrote: > I like Ubuntu, I think it is the best distro and the highest quality. > > I would also like to see the profile of Ubuntu raised in the market > place but feel there are some issues in Ubuntu that need addressing. > > I have attended night school to learn Ubuntu basics but stil

[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Profile

2007-10-29 Thread davisjo
I like Ubuntu, I think it is the best distro and the highest quality. I would also like to see the profile of Ubuntu raised in the market place but feel there are some issues in Ubuntu that need addressing. I have attended night school to learn Ubuntu basics but still cannot get my wireless car