I believe the argument is not whether windows is easier than linux or vice
versa. That is common man's opinion about linux since he/she expects
everything to behave like windows.  Everything which behaves differently
from Windows is considered to be 'difficult' because they are only used to
using windows.

Let us face the reality. We all know that the incompatibility of drivers in
linux is due to the manufacturers not providing drivers and that is the sad
fact. I agree that if linux-box distribution like Tesco's is going to be
adopted, there won't be much of a driver Issue. But things haven't reached
that level yet.. How many computers do you find in the stores with
pre-installed linux? Tesco's computers are just the first step. So is the
Dell distribution. Till we start influencing the market, the manufacturers
won't release linux drivers.  So how this can be done? It is actually by
increasing the use of linux in the community. I guess we don't have
different opinions regarding this.

So basically it boils down to a point, how we can make more people use
linux? Getting pre installed linux box  hasn't been widely happening. Till
this happens, we need to support these cards, irrespective of manufacturers
attitude towards linux.  Atleast we support  hardware from the common
manufacturers. Gutsy is the right step in doing that. But we still are far
from solving the problems.

Most of the times, solving any of these driver issues need technical
knowledge. This is not what we can expect from average users. Why don't we
release patches/scripts for solving atleast some of these problems ?  Let me
put it this way, users will be happy to download and execute a patch/ driver
file rather than tinkering with the configurations. don't you think so?
Patches won't be an answer for all problems, but still it will make life
better for average users. Remember that normal user is not technically
capable like us. They need simpler solutions.  We have forums to help in
solving these issues.. But most of the time, it is very technical and so
common people won't understand.

I would be happy to help people in solving some of these issues. But i am
not expert in every issue. If we ( ubuntu community of UK) can put in some
resources in terms of manpower (some free time) and knowledge, i am sure
than we can influence at least few people in adopting linux. May be i will
quote Tesco's slogan for this  "Every little helps"

:-)

regards,
renjith



On 10/29/07, Sean Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think we are actually agreeing.  The start of this particular line of
> conversation was somebody saying that Linux wasn't doing enough to make
> installation of wireless cards simple and reliable... my point was that most
> of the cards that I am using now appear to work pretty much "out of the box"
> in Gutsy (and with some in Feisty, Edgy etc.) so I don't need to do the
> whole ndiswrapper thing...
>
> In fact, when I reinstalled my old laptop which had died for some years
> after an unfortunate incident with a glass of wine and a fizzing motherboard
> (!) I discovered that whilst Gutsy works 100% well straight away Windows XP
> does anything but, arguing that the graphics card isn't the one it's
> expecting but offering no advice on fixing it other than a "Browse" and a
> suggestion to insert some sort of driver CD.
>
> How's that helpful?
>
> It makes me think that if Windows users actually had to occasionally
> install their own OS they'd find Windows was significantly harder to make
> work than Linux - it's therefore all a myth this concept that Windows is
> "easy"... it's only "easy" because the "norm" is to buy a pre-installed PC !
>
>
> Sean
>
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