Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

On 14/02/07, Daniel Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pat wrote: > OK Richard Stallman, I'm sure you're not so insensitive as to compare > the civil rights struggle and suffrage to your preference for Open > Source software! In what way would that

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pat wrote: > OK Richard Stallman, I'm sure you're not so insensitive as to compare > the civil rights struggle and suffrage to your preference for Open > Source software! In what way would that be insensitive? It would be insensitive to claim that we w

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

On 14/02/07, baza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Am I bovered? Does this face look bovered? You disrespecting my family? You calling me a Piky? Now look what's happened - you've gone and made Baza go all Catherine Tatey. The world may never recover. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.u

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

On 14/02/07, Daniel Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 1) Civil rights for black people, women etc. were never gained through market forces. We're attempting to attain freedom of software for all people, the same applies (to an extent) to us. OK Richard Stallman, I'm sure you're not so insens

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 00:43 +, Daniel Watkins wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Pat wrote: > > Market forces change the world. Not much else. > I have two counterpoints: > 1) Civil rights for black people, women etc. were never gained through > market forces. We're a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pat wrote: > Market forces change the world. Not much else. I have two counterpoints: 1) Civil rights for black people, women etc. were never gained through market forces. We're attempting to attain freedom of software for all people, the same applies

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

On 14/02/07, Daniel Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No, seriously, if we do nothing, things are just bound to change, aren't they? That's the way all change has happened in this world. Market forces change the world. Not much else. If GNU/etc represents enough of a revenue to a manufactur

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 No, seriously, if we do nothing, things are just bound to change, aren't they? That's the way all change has happened in this world. I cannot possibly produce evidence, but that doesn't mean we should stop doing it. There is no evidence that it does h

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

On 13/02/07, Daniel Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And how would you back up your argument, which appears to be that there's no point doing anything which won't get immediate results? If we don't do this stuff then it won't happen. So instead of citing any justification for your "argument

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pat wrote: > ...and how would you back up that argument - examples of Free software > users' letters affecting a hardware manufacturer's choice of licence? And how would you back up your argument, which appears to be that there's no point doing anyth

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

On 13/02/07, Daniel Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would argue that letters stating the fact that you're not intending to spend your money on them because of licenses would make a difference. ...and how would you back up that argument - examples of Free software users' letters affectin

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pat wrote: > > > On 13/02/07, *Daniel Watkins* > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > Begging letters will not influence their decision on which > licence to choose. I would argue that letters stating the fact that you're not int

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

On 13/02/07, Daniel Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pat wrote: > On 13/02/07, *Daniel Watkins* > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > 1. Why do you want to increase the profits of a company that uses > > software

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

On 13/02/07, Robbo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not a fan of Software Patents myself but in the meantime you can Patent your software "ideas" to help Linux... http://www.openinventionnetwork.com / Yes, I have come across it. I have a bit of a problem with Software Patents in general, though;

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pat wrote: > On 13/02/07, *Daniel Watkins* > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > 1. Why do you want to increase the profits of a company that uses > > software patents to extort cash? Particularly given the threat tha

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

On 13/02/07, Daniel Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1. Why do you want to increase the profits of a company that uses > software patents to extort cash? Particularly given the threat that > software patents pose to Free Software. I'm not. I want them to Free their drivers. This is what,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pat wrote: > 2 points:- > 1. Why do you want to increase the profits of a company that uses > software patents to extort cash? Particularly given the threat that > software patents pose to Free Software. I'm not. I want them to Free their drivers. > 2

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

On 13/02/07, Daniel Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In addition, it doesn't do to be snooty about who we decide to ask to Free their drivers. Any Free drivers are a win for the momentum of the Free software movement. Snooty??!!! Excellent argument - you may just have won me round to your

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pat wrote: > I still don't quite understand though, why I (or any Linux user) would > want to help Kodak become more successful? > > If they're smart enough to open their drivers then they might get more > business. If they aren't, there are plenty o

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

On 13 Feb 2007, at 21:37, Pat wrote: Personally, I would enjoy seeing Kodak go out of business - software patents are the biggest threat to Linux (and innovation in general) that there is. http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/intro/ index.html Not a fan of Software Patents myself but in t

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

On 13/02/07, Daniel Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pat wrote: > How would I write letters on a Kodak printer without purchasing one? Write letters to them saying that you won't consider purchasing their products unless there are Free drivers ava

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pat wrote: > How would I write letters on a Kodak printer without purchasing one? Write letters to them saying that you won't consider purchasing their products unless there are Free drivers available. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

On 13/02/07, Daniel Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I believe that Llywelyn was, in fact, referring to the writing of letters, emails etc., rather than the actual purchase. I'm not sure I follow... How would I write letters on a Kodak printer without purchasing one? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.u

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pat wrote: > On 13/02/07, *Llywelyn Owen* wrote: > > But you may benefit in the long term if they are successful enough > to disrupt the status quo > I'm sorry, but I take that kind of behaviour into account when making > purchasing decisions.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

On 13/02/07, Llywelyn Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But you may benefit in the long term if they are successful enough to disrupt the status quo I can't see myself benefitting from anything that Kodak or SCO or any other failing company turned patent-troll does. My take on it was that they

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

But you may benefit in the long term if they are successful enough to disrupt the status quo -- Hwyl/Regards Llywelyn Owen -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

On 13/02/07, Llywelyn Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kodak is introducing a line of desktop printers and low cost replacement inks. A brave move which I hope will break the dominance of the proprietary cartridge sellers. I hope

[ubuntu-uk] Kodak launch refillable inkjet printers

http://www.computershopper.co.uk/?news/news_story.php?id=103873 Kodak is introducing a line of desktop printers and low cost replacement inks. A brave move which I hope will break the dominance of the proprietary cartridge sellers. I hope we'll get Linux drivers for these printer - perhaps a fe