Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

Mark Harrison wrote: > In the UK, it's hard to see how the courts would do anything other than > In the US, the concept of "punitive damages" exists, > What I don't see (and this is where I came in - in disagreeing with some > of the web articles written) is that a customer calling for support

Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing launchpad

wow nice work chris Unfortunatly my clue level on using launchpad is the same as Arther Dents: none at all. Will read up on how to work it all tommorrow and help contribute Regards, On 10/07/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, > > To kick off/demo the usage of launchpad as our stor

[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing launchpad

OK, To kick off/demo the usage of launchpad as our storage/development medium I uploaded the leaflet I made originally to a branch of our leaflet project. To upload your stuff to launchpad you'll need bazaar. I wrote a tutorial on using it a wee while ago for anyone who isn't familiar with it: h

[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing launchpad

Hi folks, I've set up the ubuntu-uk-marketing launchpad team, created a leaflets project and assigned the leaflets project to the team. If you want to join the ubuntu-uk-marketing team, you can do so here: https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-uk-marketing The leaflets project is sat here in launchpa

Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

I've set a launchpad team up here that people can join: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk-marketing Still working on it though but at least you should be able to join up. Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

Hiya * Mac: > Matthew East wrote: > That seems to me not contract, but a beautiful and unexpected > inversion of copyright law. A "beautiful inversion of copyright law" isn't a legal concept. The extract you've cited from Eben isn't addressing the mechanism by which an author who publishes

Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

> Does someone want to setup the Launchpad site then? I'm quite keen on seeing > a few case > studies like the ones that alan c is mentioning being uploaded and easier to > find that having > to trawl the lists. It's valuable information that needs to be easily > accessible to marketeers. No

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

Lee Tambiah wrote: > > Without disscussion I think the GPL 3 is a very good license which > protects Free Software and overall should strengthen it. I agree. I agree that you, and any programmer, should have the right to choose the GPLv3 in new products you create. However, I also believe that

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

Mac wrote: > That seems to me not contract, but a beautiful and unexpected > inversion of copyright law. I'm sorry, but I don't understand this line of argument... Let me explain my understanding first, then someone can tell me what I'm missing... - A contract is a legally binding agreement bet

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

Matthew East wrote: >...The GPL is a license (hence the "L") by which (among > other things) the licensor and copyright holder grants the licensee the > right to use and redistribute the program subject to certain conditions. > > A license is a type of contract, in this case between the program m

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

> Mark Harrison wrote: >> Mac wrote: >>> You do have to hand it to Richard Stallman, Eben Moglen and their >>> colleagues - the genius evident in GPLv3 just takes your breath away: > >> I'm no lawyer, but in the UK at least, there are at least two problems >> with the "legal analysis" here: >> >>

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

I wonder of those who sign it have also signed up and subscribed support to the open rights group as well ? Also , wouldnt it be great to have a openID with openrights that we could use to sign the petitions with ? http://www.openrightsgroup.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ub

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

Mark Harrison wrote: > It's hard to see, however, how any legal document written on 1st July > could retrospectively apply to a contract signed on the 30th June unless > the contract made specific provision for itself to be modified. I may be wrong, but I thought that's exactly what GPLv2 had d

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

On 7/10/07, Mark Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mac wrote: > As I understand it, GPLv3 is not a contract; it's a waiver of copyright > that passes to those who also waive copyright. This is what's so clever > about it - it just doesn't work like a contract or licence. I think > this is w

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 01:47:13PM +0100, alan c wrote: > Ah, I see my name halfway up the long list so I must have signed it a > while ago - so maybe duplicates are ignored :-) > It does make me chuckle when I scroll down these petitions to see the same names pop up :) "I know him!" "and him!

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

Matthew Larsen wrote: > yeah instantly :oS > > On 10/07/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Matthew Larsen wrote: >> > signed >> > >> >> I am trying to sign it but do not seem to have received the contact >> email. Did yours arrive in timely fashion? Ah, I see my name halfway up the long li

Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

On 10/07/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alan Pope wrote: > > Hi Alan, > > > > On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 23:02 +0100, alan c wrote: > >>> > >>> Why not contribute to the existing marketing team? Why "fork"? > >> > >> The existing marketing team is not UK specific. The UK media, > >> temperament

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

Hi Alan, > Matthew Larsen wrote: > > signed > > > > I am trying to sign it but do not seem to have received the contact > email. Did yours arrive in timely fashion? I signed the petition a few minutes ago - the receipt email came in within seconds. My name was on the bottom of the petition to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

yeah instantly :oS On 10/07/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matthew Larsen wrote: > > signed > > > > I am trying to sign it but do not seem to have received the contact > email. Did yours arrive in timely fashion? > -- > alan cocks > Kubuntu user#10391 > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

Matthew Larsen wrote: > signed > I am trying to sign it but do not seem to have received the contact email. Did yours arrive in timely fashion? -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer

signed On 10/07/07, Terence Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jason Liquorish wrote: > > After seeing a lot of posts about getting media from sites such as > > bbc.co.uk working I saw this on the Nottingham LUGs > > mailing list: > > > > Hi all, > > The BBC iPlayer - which

Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

Alan Pope wrote: > Hi Alan, > > On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 23:02 +0100, alan c wrote: >>> >>> Why not contribute to the existing marketing team? Why "fork"? >> >> The existing marketing team is not UK specific. The UK media, >> temperament, retail environment etc are all specific to uk. >> > > Sur

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

Mac wrote: > As I understand it, GPLv3 is not a contract; it's a waiver of copyright > that passes to those who also waive copyright. This is what's so clever > about it - it just doesn't work like a contract or licence. I think > this is why patent/copyright lawyers have such trouble with it

Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

Does someone want to setup the Launchpad site then? I'm quite keen on seeing a few case studies like the ones that alan c is mentioning being uploaded and easier to find that having to trawl the lists. It's valuable information that needs to be easily accessible to marketeers. IRC is up at #u

Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

Alan Pope wrote: > Hi Alan, > > On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 23:02 +0100, alan c wrote: >> > >> > Why not contribute to the existing marketing team? Why "fork"? >> >> The existing marketing team is not UK specific. The UK media, >> temperament, retail environment etc are all specific to uk. >> > > S

Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

Rob Beard wrote: > alan c wrote: > >>> Why not contribute to the existing marketing team? Why "fork"? >> >> The existing marketing team is not UK specific. The UK media, >> temperament, retail environment etc are all specific to uk. >> >> A recent discussion (for me) on the (global) marketing

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

Mark Harrison wrote: > Mac wrote: >> You do have to hand it to Richard Stallman, Eben Moglen and their >> colleagues - the genius evident in GPLv3 just takes your breath away: > I'm no lawyer, but in the UK at least, there are at least two problems > with the "legal analysis" here: > > - I had

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

Mac wrote: > You do have to hand it to Richard Stallman, Eben Moglen and their > colleagues - the genius evident in GPLv3 just takes your breath away: > > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/blogs/microsoft_the_copyright_infringer > > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070709101318827 > >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

In reply to the suggestions! Popey: Good idea, why reinvent the wheel? Perhaps we could continue using the marketing list with an email prefix of [UK] How about this then for ideas: Mailing List: Using current ubuntu marketing mailing list IRC: Create channel Launchpad: Members to join ubuntu ma

[ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

You do have to hand it to Richard Stallman, Eben Moglen and their colleagues - the genius evident in GPLv3 just takes your breath away: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/blogs/microsoft_the_copyright_infringer http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070709101318827 Mac -- ubuntu-uk@li