Re: [Ubuntu-phone] SIM toolkit on UT product team decision

2015-10-01 Thread sturmflut
Good morning dear list, I agree that SIM Tookit support is crucial for many countries. As far as I know, ofono has a D-Bus API for it and the functionality is very simple, so we might "just" have to build a simple, unconfined core app that talks to ofono? cheers, Simon On 09/29/2015 10:29 PM,

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 30.09.15

2015-10-01 Thread Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak
Hello! The proper mouse cursor/pointer integration feature is ready code-wise but it missed the feature freeze for OTA-7. There is still chance of those changes getting included but we are waiting for the product team to decide if it can be handled as an exception. We should know more later today.

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] BQ Aquaris 4.5 sound cannot be turned back on

2015-10-01 Thread Julia Palandri
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Charles Kerr wrote: > On 09/30/2015 11:53 AM, Pauli Pilvi wrote: > >> I was in the meeting and turned mute on. Then I had a call which I >> rejected to call back. I went out and tried to call back, but there was no >> sound. I tried to reboot the device, but it

[Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

2015-10-01 Thread Sturm Flut
Good morning dear list, this has been brewing for quite some time now and the discussion Krzysztof Tataradziński started a week ago didn't lead anywhere again, so I'm starting it yet another time: In my opinion the "no background processing for apps on the phone" design decision is wrong, is alre

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

2015-10-01 Thread Alan Bell
I quite agree, even if it is a user preference it would be fine, I would choose to have multitasking when the screen is on. I find it rather frustrating on slow connections to be unable to background the web browser to let it load something while I check on other things. Alan. -- Mailing lis

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

2015-10-01 Thread Fredrik Andersson
Dont know if this is all programs, but i wanna be able to play some music maybe in a browser or music app and be able to switch to other scopes/apps Den 2015-10-01 kl. 13:25, skrev Alan Bell: I quite agree, even if it is a user preference it would be fine, I would choose to have multitasking w

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

2015-10-01 Thread Craig Harper
I also really thing something should be done about this, even if you create a user override, allowing applications to multitask in the background. Like you give permissions for applications to use the GPS. Then the battery life would be the users choice, personally i was looking for a Linux machin

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

2015-10-01 Thread Thomas Voß
Hey Simon, Thanks for your thoughts and ideas. Please find my suggestions and replies inline: On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Sturm Flut wrote: > Good morning dear list, > > this has been brewing for quite some time now and the discussion > Krzysztof Tataradziński started a week ago didn't lead

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

2015-10-01 Thread Thomas Voß
On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Craig Harper wrote: > I also really thing something should be done about this, even if you create > a user override, allowing applications to multitask in the background. Like > you give permissions for applications to use the GPS. Then the battery life > would be

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Touch still working while screen is off

2015-10-01 Thread Krzysztof Tataradziński
2015-09-30 19:37 GMT+02:00 Pat McGowan : > The button doesn't get deactivated immediately it takes a few seconds, it > is a known issue, the only real symptom is you may switch to the home scope > without meaning to. This is a separate device from the touch screen. > > For me sometimes button stil

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] SIM toolkit on UT product team decision

2015-10-01 Thread Pat McGowan
On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 4:36 AM, sturmflut wrote: > Good morning dear list, > > I agree that SIM Tookit support is crucial for many countries. As far as > I know, ofono has a D-Bus API for it and the functionality is very > simple, so we might "just" have to build a simple, unconfined core app > t

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

2015-10-01 Thread Craig Harper
Surly reserving the right, should be an informed user decision. Could we not make it easier to choose how we want to run our phones? Nokia when they launched the N9, has a locked down linux distro, but once enabling the developer mode it give you the freedom to do with the phones as we pleased.

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

2015-10-01 Thread Krzysztof Tataradziński
Hello, I want submit only one small note 2015-10-01 14:04 GMT+02:00 Thomas Voß : > Hey Simon, > > Thanks for your thoughts and ideas. Please find my suggestions and > replies inline: > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Sturm Flut > wrote: > > Good morning dear list, > > > > this has been brewing

[Ubuntu-phone] Can't connect to foreign mobile network

2015-10-01 Thread Frans Schreuder
Hello, I have had the Ubuntu phone (BQ E4.5) for some time, I lately travelled to New York and found out it didn't connect to the mobile network, not even GSM. At that time I thought it was a frequency issue, but right now I am in Portugal and the frequency is the same here as my home country (Net

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Can't connect to foreign mobile network

2015-10-01 Thread Jonas Drange
On 1 October 2015 at 14:50, Frans Schreuder wrote: > My own provider is T-Mobile (NL), then when I just rebooted the Mobile > settings => Provider shows 3 available networks, after a few seconds > they disappear and there is only the choice for "Automatic". > ​Sounds like a bug. Can you file one

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Can't connect to foreign mobile network

2015-10-01 Thread Frans Schreuder
Thanks for your reply, I filed the bug... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1501761 On 10/01/2015 02:03 PM, Jonas Drange wrote: On 1 October 2015 at 14:50, Frans Schreuder

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

2015-10-01 Thread Roman Shchekin
Hi folks First of all: > I also really thing something should be done about this, even if you > create a user override, allowing applications to multitask in the > background. Like you give permissions for applications to use the GPS. > Then the battery life would be the users choice, personally

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

2015-10-01 Thread Baskaran S
The balanced solution would be let it to user decision. Let them decide. By Default the OS can allow background process up to 'n' numbers. Let's say 3 (this can vary depending on device specification parameters: battery capacity, screen size, CPU and memory). If user going to run beyond that thresh

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

2015-10-01 Thread Michał Sawicz
W dniu 01.10.2015 o 15:44, Roman Shchekin pisze: > First of all: > > I also really thing something should be done about this, even if you > create a user override, allowing applications to multitask in the > background. Like you give permissions for applications to use the > GPS.

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

2015-10-01 Thread Alan Bell
I have a use case, where I sometimes want to use the terminal to open an SSH session somewhere, launch byobu and do some stuff, then flip to a web browser, look something up, then flip back to the ssh session, which has now dropped because it has been put to sleep. yes, I know I am not being a

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

2015-10-01 Thread Alan Pope
On 1 October 2015 at 15:52, Michał Sawicz wrote: > I would love for us to have this discussion in a manner "I have this use > case, how do you plan / how can we enable it in the given constraints" > instead of plain "you don't support this, change it!". > > Where would you propose we track these

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

2015-10-01 Thread Alan Bell
one of the particular strengths of the Ubuntu Touch UI is that you can see what apps are running and close the things you don't want. This is considerably easier on Ubuntu than it is on Android (long press of the button on the right that nobody knows what it does, then see your list of apps and

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

2015-10-01 Thread Davide Alberelli
2015-10-01 17:53 GMT+02:00 Alan Bell : > one of the particular strengths of the Ubuntu Touch UI is that you can see > what apps are running and close the things you don't want. This is > considerably easier on Ubuntu than it is on Android (long press of the > button on the right that nobody knows

[Ubuntu-phone] Introducing Pilot; an app for testing

2015-10-01 Thread Nicholas Skaggs
Since the initial announcement of a Ubuntu phone, the community has been involved with finding bugs, fixing things, developing apps, and helping make the phone what it is today. As time went on, users have been asking for an easier way to help test new versions of Ubuntu, new core apps, new ser

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

2015-10-01 Thread Craig Harper
We are all behind Ubuntu Touch, if where not we would not commenting on this problem. We understand that its not going to happen overnight. But this is not the first time the conversation about Multitasking has been bought up. We all understand there is good programmers and bad programmers, this

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

2015-10-01 Thread Sam Bull
On Thu, 2015-10-01 at 16:29 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: > I have a use case, where I sometimes want to use the terminal to open > an SSH session somewhere, launch byobu and do some stuff, then flip to > a web browser, look something up, then flip back to the ssh session, > which has now dropped because

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Fixing Volume Controls

2015-10-01 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Zanetti wrote on 30/09/15 13:08: > > On 30.09.2015 12:59, Oliver Grawert wrote: >> >> Am Mittwoch, den 30.09.2015, 12:21 +0200 schrieb Michael >> Zanetti: >>> >>> On 30.09.2015 12:01, Oliver Grawert wrote: Am Dienstag, den 29.09.

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Fixing Volume Controls

2015-10-01 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Zanetti wrote on 30/09/15 10:42: > > On 29.09.2015 20:54, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: >> >> Michael Zanetti wrote on 24/09/15 10:04: >> >>> ... >>> >>> Well, this is not really a bug in an implementation itself, but >>> rather in the way we

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Can't connect to foreign mobile network

2015-10-01 Thread Thibaut Dedreuil_monet
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 13:50:48 +0100 Frans Schreuder wrote: > Hello, > > I have had the Ubuntu phone (BQ E4.5) for some time, I lately travelled > to New York and found out it didn't connect to the mobile network, not > even GSM. At that time I thought it was a frequency issue, but right now > I am

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] SIM toolkit on UT product team decision

2015-10-01 Thread Thibaut Dedreuil_monet
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 08:22:50 -0400 Pat McGowan wrote: > On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 4:36 AM, sturmflut wrote: > > > Good morning dear list, > > > > I agree that SIM Tookit support is crucial for many countries. As far as > > I know, ofono has a D-Bus API for it and the functionality is very > > simpl

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] SIM toolkit on UT product team decision

2015-10-01 Thread Simon Fels
On 01.10.2015 14:22, Pat McGowan wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 4:36 AM, sturmflut wrote: Good morning dear list, I agree that SIM Tookit support is crucial for many countries. As far as I know, ofono has a D-Bus API for it and the functionality is very simple, so we might "just" have to build

[Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 01.10.15

2015-10-01 Thread Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak
Hello everyone, Today brought more landings than yesterday. We had a new ofono with fixes for multiple crashes, Unity8/qtmir (test fixes mostly, but also other bugfixes), a new ubuntu-themes with new mono icons (and a new VPN indicator) and oxide-qt. Many other fixes are queued up as well. From o

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Can't connect to foreign mobile network

2015-10-01 Thread Yann
Hello Could it be just because your mobile provider didn't activate the travel option ?? On 01/10/2015 19:23, Thibaut Dedreuil_monet wrote: On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 13:50:48 +0100 Frans Schreuder wrote: Hello, I have had the Ubuntu phone (BQ E4.5) for some time, I lately travelled to New York a

[Ubuntu-phone] dual boot

2015-10-01 Thread Wayne Ward
Is there a way to dual boot the BQ 4.5 with android ? from what i understand the phone is the same as the android apart from the screen? but i broke my screen and it was 110 euro for a replacement from BQ so i was adviced the android screen fits and the extra buttons would work if i ever decided

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] dual boot

2015-10-01 Thread Yann
I don't think it could be done ... technically I don't even think the phone would be able to handle it, but maybe i'm wrong ... On 01/10/2015 20:12, Wayne Ward wrote: Is there a way to dual boot the BQ 4.5 with android ? from what i understand the phone is the same as the android apart from the

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] dual boot

2015-10-01 Thread Wayne Ward
im basically coping but having to carry a tablet around for small jobs on server like vm reboots which i can do on the ubuntu touch from a console but easier with the virt manager and the remote desktop is hard on a phone but i can do small things using team viewer or vpn and vnc on my mobile a

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 01.10.15

2015-10-01 Thread Wayne Ward
Is there a link for the install CD so i can test in a VM please. Wayne On 01/10/15 19:05, Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak wrote: Hello everyone, Today brought more landings than yesterday. We had a new ofono with fixes for multiple crashes, Unity8/qtmir (test fixes mostly, but also other bugfixes), a

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] SIM toolkit on UT product team decision

2015-10-01 Thread Tony Espy
On 10/01/2015 01:39 PM, Simon Fels wrote: On 01.10.2015 14:22, Pat McGowan wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 4:36 AM, sturmflut wrote: Good morning dear list, I agree that SIM Tookit support is crucial for many countries. As far as I know, ofono has a D-Bus API for it and the functionality is ve

[Ubuntu-phone] nexus 7 install

2015-10-01 Thread Wayne Ward
just re-setup my nexus 7 and got multi rom installed and setup which is the best working up to date channel to use to install rom devel proposed devel rc-proposed rc stable thankyou Wayne :) -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsu

[Ubuntu-phone] CI MP testing slowed due to shortage of mako devices

2015-10-01 Thread Francis Ginther
This is a notice that MP testing through CI has been slowed recently due to a shortage of mako devices. We are currently pursuing the possibility of modifying the phone testing to include BQ as well as mako devices with the phone product and project teams. Some tests have already been modified to i

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] nexus 7 install

2015-10-01 Thread Kevin Gunn
hey Wayne for explanation of channels, please see https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/ that being said, if you want to stay on the "almost released" stuff, then rc-proposed. if you want something "stable", use stable br,kg On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Wayne

[Ubuntu-phone] ANNOUNCEMENT: New Bileto features & fixes

2015-10-01 Thread Robert Park
New & Shiny: * The audit logs have been expanded at the request of jibel. Now, in addition to recording all the jenkins jobs that you run, it also records when you edit the request, stating which fields you changed. So now eg if somebody changes the qa signoff status, we'll have a record of who di

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

2015-10-01 Thread Phil
I thought I'd add my thoughts into this. As a long-time user of the N900 running Maemo, I've been very used to multitasking. I used to laugh at my friends who ran iOS that they didn't even have the option to multitask, if they wanted. On my desktop and on my Maemo phone, I've always had: Linu

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

2015-10-01 Thread Mitchell Reese
I'm also a fan of TweakGeek - for similar reasons. There's only a handful of apps I use it for, but they have become essential: terminal, uNav, Google Maps, ABC Radio, etc. My BQ handset simply has very limited usability without it. That said, enabling every app (have done this) to prevent sus

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

2015-10-01 Thread Ashwin Sewambar
Guys, first time I reply to anything, but here's my opinion: Even the Nokia 8500 running on Symbian could multitask. And indeed, those overly-hyped Apples couldn't. With those early Symbians you just had to tweak things a bit in order to get it completely stable, but I guess we improved enough

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] SDcard content not visible

2015-10-01 Thread Mitchell Reese
Hi James, sorry for the late reply - busy time of late. Attached are my logs - let me know how you go. Still having issues - card is mounted, but media scanner not picking up any music. I recently changed sdcards (16gb from 8gb), however the system is recognising the new card, I can view files

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] SDcard content not visible

2015-10-01 Thread James Henstridge
On 2 October 2015 at 06:46, Mitchell Reese wrote: > Hi James, sorry for the late reply - busy time of late. Attached are my > logs - let me know how you go. Still having issues - card is mounted, but > media scanner not picking up any music. I recently changed sdcards (16gb > from 8gb), however t