Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-07-07 Thread Niklas Wenzel
Thank you very much for letting me know. I'm really looking forward to this! Am Fr, 3. Jul, 2015 um 7:30 schrieb Martin Albisetti : On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Niklas Wenzel wrote: Is there anything going on regarding app sorting at the moment? It's still a major issue I have with th

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-07-03 Thread Martin Albisetti
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Niklas Wenzel wrote: > Is there anything going on regarding app sorting at the moment? It's still a > major issue I have with the store (and one I cannot fix myself). Sorry, this has been on our ToDo for a while. I have now found someone with a bit of time to work

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-06-22 Thread Niklas Wenzel
Hi Martin, Is there anything going on regarding app sorting at the moment? It's still a major issue I have with the store (and one I cannot fix myself). Cheers, Niklas 2015-05-28 13:13 GMT+02:00 Niklas Wenzel : > Hi Martin, > > Do you have any news regarding this? > > Cheers, > Niklas > > > Am

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-05-28 Thread Niklas Wenzel
Hi Martin, Do you have any news regarding this? Cheers, Niklas Am Do, 9. Apr, 2015 um 3:46 schrieb Martin Albisetti : On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Niklas Wenzel wrote: I checked out the article you referred to in your post and it looks great. I'd love to see that implemented in the

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-13 Thread Niklas Wenzel
Thank you very much for the explanation. :) Am Montag, 13. April 2015 schrieb Matthew Paul Thomas : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Martin Albisetti wrote on 09/04/15 13:38: >> ... >> >> There are a lot of good points about people gaming the system and >> problems with differ

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-13 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Albisetti wrote on 09/04/15 13:38: > ... > > There are a lot of good points about people gaming the system and > problems with different approaches. Luckily, this is not a new > problem at all. In fact, it's not even new to Ubuntu! Matthew >

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-09 Thread Niklas Wenzel
2015-04-09 17:56 GMT+02:00 Robert Schroll : > No, the Bayesian average ranks apps with no reviews as m. Any app with a > rating below m will rank below the non-reviewed app. > Ah, ok. With a true Bayesian average this is correct. Brian's appstore still displays a review of 0 for unrated apps tho

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-09 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Thu, 2015-04-09 at 08:35 -0500, Jamie Strandboge wrote: > Related, for a while there was no way to modify the rating you > previously gave to an app-- does anyone know if this has been resolved? In the scope, not exactly. However, ratings have always been attached to the version of the app. If

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-09 Thread Martin Albisetti
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Robert Schroll wrote: > > Really? Any sane rating system will increase the computed rating when > receiving a new review above the current rating and reducing it when > receiving a new review below the current rating. Thus every sane rating > system is vulnerable

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-09 Thread Robert Schroll
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 4:50 AM, Niklas Wenzel wrote: Until now, we've had two suggestions: the Bayesian average and the solution mentioned by Selene, where each app would get a 3 star rating by default which would be adjusted later when people start reviewing the application. As I read it, S

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-09 Thread Martin Albisetti
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Alan Pope wrote: > > If we could move the reviews over, that would be great, but I don't > know if that would be seen as against any kind of ToS or moral line, > to "manipulate" reviews given by users. "Hey! I never reviewed this > app, I reviewed another one, they

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-09 Thread Alan Pope
On 9 April 2015 at 14:35, Jamie Strandboge wrote: > That seems fine. Related, for a while there was no way to modify the rating > you > previously gave to an app-- does anyone know if this has been resolved? > Related to this we have a bit of an issue with one of the core apps. We've been 'rebo

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-09 Thread James Tait
On 9 April 2015 at 13:38, Martin Albisetti wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 5:50 AM, Niklas Wenzel > wrote: > > Thanks for bringing this up! > I completely agree that the current sorting is naive at best and it is > not intended to be the way we sort search results at all, just a > convenient way t

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-09 Thread Niklas Wenzel
Thanks. I'd really like to see it as soon as possible. ;) 2015-04-09 15:46 GMT+02:00 Martin Albisetti : > On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Niklas Wenzel > wrote: > > > > I checked out the article you referred to in your post and it looks > great. > > I'd love to see that implemented in the store

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-09 Thread Martin Albisetti
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Niklas Wenzel wrote: > > I checked out the article you referred to in your post and it looks great. > I'd love to see that implemented in the store. > Given the fact that I can't help out myself, how long do you think will it > take you to get that set up? > I know

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-09 Thread Martin Albisetti
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Jamie Strandboge wrote: > > That seems fine. Related, for a while there was no way to modify the rating > you > previously gave to an app-- does anyone know if this has been resolved? The server has added an API to allow it, yes. It needs a bit of time from the s

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-09 Thread Jamie Strandboge
On 04/08/2015 02:38 PM, Rodney Dawes wrote: > On Wed, 2015-04-08 at 21:23 +0200, Niklas Wenzel wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> >> I've recently been really unhappy with the order in which applications >> appear in the Ubuntu Store. >> >> >> Apparently, apps are currently only sorted by their star ratings.

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-09 Thread Niklas Wenzel
Hi Martin, Thank you very much for your reply. :) I checked out the article you referred to in your post and it looks great. I'd love to see that implemented in the store. Given the fact that I can't help out myself, how long do you think will it take you to get that set up? I know you're quite b

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-09 Thread Martin Albisetti
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 5:50 AM, Niklas Wenzel wrote: Thanks for bringing this up! I completely agree that the current sorting is naive at best and it is not intended to be the way we sort search results at all, just a convenient way to get us bootstrapped. > To me it seems that we agree we shou

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-09 Thread Niklas Wenzel
Thanks to all of you for answering here while I was sleeping. To me it seems that we agree we should improve the sorting algorithm. I acknowledge the problem of having no way to deal with unfair reviews but I believe this should overall be separated from the sorting problem, even though a better s

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-08 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2015-04-08 at 18:12 -0300, Sergio Schvezov wrote: > On miércoles 8 de abril de 2015 17h'54:04 ART, Rodney Dawes wrote: > > OK. I don't think we should add more ways of calculating things to solve > > these problems though. I think there are a few distinct problems here to > > solve, and sor

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-08 Thread Sergio Schvezov
On miércoles 8 de abril de 2015 17h'54:04 ART, Rodney Dawes wrote: OK. I don't think we should add more ways of calculating things to solve these problems though. I think there are a few distinct problems here to solve, and sorting is only one of the issues. There's also the social problem of peo

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-08 Thread Selene Scriven
* Rodney Dawes wrote: > We would just need to also do something for apps with no > ratings at all, so they will get weighted better than apps that > have all negative ratings. It's pretty simple. Default to a score of 50% (3 stars?), and adjust that score up or down based on ratings. Adjust

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-08 Thread Selene Scriven
* Niklas Wenzel wrote: > Apparently, apps are currently only sorted by their star > ratings. ... most top-notch applications are beaten by webapps > whose owners give them a single 5 star rating. There are pretty simple scoring mechanisms which should be able to vastly improve the sorting...

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-08 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2015-04-08 at 22:17 +0200, Niklas Wenzel wrote: > Hi Rodney, > > > Thank you very much for taking the time to reply to my post. > I think I should have explained better what I wanted. > > > My point isn't to display a second rating like the unofficial app > store currently does. I think

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-08 Thread Niklas Wenzel
Hi Rodney, Thank you very much for taking the time to reply to my post. I think I should have explained better what I wanted. My point isn't to display a second rating like the unofficial app store currently does. I think it is fine to display the arithmetical average in the search results. Howev

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-08 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2015-04-08 at 21:23 +0200, Niklas Wenzel wrote: > Hi all, > > > I've recently been really unhappy with the order in which applications > appear in the Ubuntu Store. > > > Apparently, apps are currently only sorted by their star ratings. > However, when an app gets popular, users start t

[Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Store – application order

2015-04-08 Thread Niklas Wenzel
Hi all, I've recently been really unhappy with the order in which applications appear in the Ubuntu Store. Apparently, apps are currently only sorted by their star ratings. However, when an app gets popular, users start to use the ratings section as a way to request new features or to report bugs