On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Oliver Grawert wrote:
> Am Montag, den 17.08.2015, 12:38 +0100 schrieb João M. S. Silva:
First a correction. I meant to say "as in Debian for sysv damons" not
"as in Debian".
This is the problem with hybrid init setups.
With upstart, we could use update-rc.d fo
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 08:43:50 -0400, Luis Mondesi wrote:
>>
>> When you do a clean install of 15.10 you get the Full Systemd
>> Experience ™ It's very awkward for the first 30 seconds or so, but one
>> gets used to its quirks very fast.
>>
>> C
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:56 AM, João M. S. Silva
wrote:
>
> The specific problem here is that modemmanager depends on network-manager:
>
> $ cat /etc/init/modemmanager.conf
> (...)
> start on starting network-manager
> stop on stopped network-manager
> (...)
>
> But I don't need network-manager a
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:32:42 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote:
>>
>> unfounded FUD
>
> What next?
>
> Actually everything I pointed out is correct, it's not unfounded FUD.
> Even you mentioned that not all services are ported over.
>
> It's not th
n Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Martin Pitt wrote:
> Oliver Grawert [2015-08-17 15:24 +0200]:
>>
>> if you need to prevent an upstart service from starting on boot you need
>> to create a .override files containing the word "manual", as described
>> in your askubuntu links. i dont think there exis
hi,
Am Montag, den 17.08.2015, 20:43 +0200 schrieb Martin Pitt:
> Oliver Grawert [2015-08-17 15:24 +0200]:
> > if you need to prevent an upstart service from starting on boot you need
> > to create a .override files containing the word "manual", as described
> > in your askubuntu links. i dont thin
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 05:40:23 -0400, Tom H wrote:
>It's a bit messy, SOMETIMES.
Hi Tom,
I'm aware that it wasn't you who blamed me for spreading "unfounded
FUD", it was Oliver and at the same time he mentioned backwards
compatibility, inter-distro-compatibility, the feature that one command
does i
Tom H [2015-08-18 4:49 -0400]:
> > update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d are tools for package maintainers only (to
> > be used from pre/postinst scripts) and only applies to sysv-init
> > scripts ...
>
> Yes and no. They are meant for maintainer scripts but update-rc.d is
> needed by admins for enabling/d
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 05:52:20 -0400, Tom H wrote:
>On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Ralf Mardorf
> wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:32:42 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote:
>>>
>>> unfounded FUD
>>
>> What next?
>>
>> Actually everything I pointed out is correct, it's not unfounded FUD.
>> Even you menti
Tom H [2015-08-18 5:40 -0400]:
> Unless Ubuntu decides "we're going to provide native systemd units for
> all packages that have sysvrc scripts in Ubuntu version X", these
> units'll be provided at whatever pace the maintainers of packages with
> sysvrc scripts choose to do so; and it's not a big
hi,
Am Dienstag, den 18.08.2015, 13:00 +0200 schrieb Martin Pitt:
> Tom H [2015-08-18 4:49 -0400]:
> > > update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d are tools for package maintainers only (to
> > > be used from pre/postinst scripts) and only applies to sysv-init
> > > scripts ...
> >
> > Yes and no. They are me
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 12:36:17 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>Imagine you'll maintain your install, using a workflow that can be used
>for a clean systemd install.
>
>[weremouse@moonstudio ~]$ systemctl list-unit-files | grep alice
>alice.service enabled
>[weremouse@moonstudio
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:36 AM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 05:40:23 -0400, Tom H wrote:
>>
>> It's a bit messy, SOMETIMES.
> I'm aware that it wasn't you who blamed me for spreading "unfounded
> FUD", it was Oliver and at the same time he mentioned backwards
> compatibility, inte
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Martin Pitt wrote:
> Tom H [2015-08-18 4:49 -0400]:
>>> update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d are tools for package maintainers only (to
>>> be used from pre/postinst scripts) and only applies to sysv-init
>>> scripts ...
>>
>> Yes and no. They are meant for maintainer scr
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 05:52:20 -0400, Tom H wrote:
>>On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Ralf Mardorf
>> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:32:42 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote:
unfounded FUD
>>>
>>> What next?
>>>
>>> Actually everything I poi
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Martin Pitt wrote:
> Tom H [2015-08-18 5:40 -0400]:
>> Unless Ubuntu decides "we're going to provide native systemd units for
>> all packages that have sysvrc scripts in Ubuntu version X", these
>> units'll be provided at whatever pace the maintainers of package
Tom H [2015-08-18 9:33 -0400]:
> # When this machine is running systemd, standard service calls are turned into
> # systemctl calls.
>
>
> And this is what you want for the sake of consistency.
>
> I don't understand how "/etc/init.d/postfix status" is diverted to
> systemctl for postfix but it
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