Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...

2009-12-26 Thread Chris Jones
On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 06:23 +, Martin Owens wrote: > > Isn't laziness a good thing? If the OP is willing to pay for the > development of tools to speed or make easier the setup of these systems, > then we should support them, not ridicule them as being lazy. > > The target of computing design

Re: apt-get update problem

2009-12-26 Thread Mohammed Bassit
On Fri, 2009-12-25 at 22:22 +0530, arshad wrote: > hi all, > not sure whether this is the right place to ask. > but asking in other places didn't help me much or at all. > my apt-get update is not working. > here is the output: > > $ sudo apt-get update > [sudo] password for arshad: > Hit http:/

Re: Solang or Shotwell vs. F-Spot for Lucid

2009-12-26 Thread Mohammed Bassit
On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 16:20 +1000, Chris Jones wrote: > I'm still a little shocked that F-Spot is still included by default. Any > software developer or any geek with a basic understanding of software > development and programming knows that F-Spot is one of the worst > examples of programming cod

Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...

2009-12-26 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 26.12.2009 um 07:23 schrieb Martin Owens: > The target of computing design is to make the very complex, simple > to operate. Unfortunately, many software designers think that way. The more demanding, but technically superior way is to reduce complexity. Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Re: Solang or Shotwell vs. F-Spot for Lucid

2009-12-26 Thread Christopher Lees
On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 12:00 +, Chris Jones wrote: > I'm a photographic imaging professional and I use too many imaging apps > to list here, but F-Spot is not one of them, for the simple reason it is > slow, clunky and has crap file format support for anything outside of > JPEG format. > > The

Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...

2009-12-26 Thread Martin Owens
On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 13:58 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: > Am 26.12.2009 um 07:23 schrieb Martin Owens: > > > The target of computing design is to make the very complex, simple > > to operate. > > Unfortunately, many software designers think that way. The more > demanding, but technically supe

Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...

2009-12-26 Thread Patrick Freundt
While we are getting more and more philosophical about the origin question, I am wondering if the Cyber Cafe as we used to think of is not dying anyways. At least the fact, that somebody is renting out hardware that runs with a specific operating system and you as customer are charged by the time t

Re: Solang or Shotwell vs. F-Spot for Lucid

2009-12-26 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
> > The Ubuntu Developers clearly have no understanding of this sector of > technology and the IT industry and that sector being > digital/photographic imaging. And if they did, they would ditch F-Spot > and replace it with a suitable and "real" image management package. First of all, I think you

Bug #71870 - won't fix???

2009-12-26 Thread paul Hartman
I ran into a problem with my log files growing really huge. I went to launch pad to file a bug about it and found that it had already been filed. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysklogd/+bug/71870 Under status it is listed as won't fix. Why would this be? Please forgive me if i haven'

Re: Bug #71870 - won't fix???

2009-12-26 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 26.12.2009 um 17:50 schrieb paul Hartman: > I ran into a problem with my log files growing really huge. I went > to launch pad to file a bug about it and found that it had already > been filed. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysklogd/+bug/ > 71870 > > Under status it is listed

Re: Bug #71870 - won't fix???

2009-12-26 Thread Paul Hartman
On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 17:15 +, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: > 2009/12/26 paul Hartman <276...@gmail.com>: > > I ran into a problem with my log files growing really huge. I went to launch > > pad to file a bug about it and found that it had already been filed. > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu

Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...

2009-12-26 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 26.12.2009 um 15:13 schrieb Martin Owens: > On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 13:58 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: >> Am 26.12.2009 um 07:23 schrieb Martin Owens: >> >>> The target of computing design is to make the very complex, simple >>> to operate. >> >> Unfortunately, many software designers think that

Re: Bug #71870 - won't fix???

2009-12-26 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2009/12/26 paul Hartman <276...@gmail.com>: > I ran into a problem with my log files growing really huge. I went to launch > pad to file a bug about it and found that it had already been filed. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysklogd/+bug/71870 > > Under status it is listed as won't fi

Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...

2009-12-26 Thread Martin Owens
On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 18:37 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: > That's what I often do. As a rule of thumb, if there's more than one > way to achieve a goal, there's too much functionality. > > Not exactly mainstream, I know. By profession I'm a mechanical > designer and there the cost of redundant

Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...

2009-12-26 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 26.12.2009 um 18:47 schrieb Martin Owens: > On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 18:37 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: > >> That's what I often do. As a rule of thumb, if there's more than one >> way to achieve a goal, there's too much functionality. > [...] > What did you think I was saying? that we should repe

Re: Software Design

2009-12-26 Thread Martin Owens
On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 19:57 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: > To get back to the initial topic, instead of paying people to write > tools for taming complexity, paying people for getting rid of unused > stuff would be even better. Culling is a valid job, it's just not valid to remove functionalit

Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...

2009-12-26 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 26.12.2009 um 20:18 schrieb Patrick Freundt: > why do people write free software. And I believe they do that > because its fun. And terms like minimum redundancy or cost > effectiveness do not really fit into that context. Cost isn't only about money. It's also about the time people have

managing choices

2009-12-26 Thread Patrick Freundt
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Markus Hitter wrote: > Cost isn't only about money. It's also about the time people have to invest > to pick the right choice. [...] > If you want to see people having fun in reducing complexity, watch out for > projects like [...] You are not removing complexity

Re: Solang or Shotwell vs. F-Spot for Lucid

2009-12-26 Thread Chris Jones
On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 10:11 +, Mohammed Bassit wrote: > > I'd really love to know more about the alternatives that have been > mentioned a 100 times if you don't mind. I can't find any personally.Not > that I like F-Spot, but I can't see much of an alternative. > > Cheers, > > > Mohammed Ba

Re: managing choices

2009-12-26 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 26.12.2009 um 22:33 schrieb Patrick Freundt: > You are not removing complexity by reducing choices, at least not > in my humble opinion. Such statements make me feel like I want to run away and kiss Apple's Snow Leopard, which removes a lot of old cruft while maintaining full usability.