Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

Milosz Derezynski wrote: > > No one said something about disabling it by default, it's merely about > bringing it > to the user's attention that it will happen, and, since it's useful in > some cases (because > of internet traffic limitations), and prudent in others (because > people are wary

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

On Fri, 2008-12-26 at 12:50 +0530, Manish Sinha wrote: > Now you missed out the second point of this discussion. People should > know that their internet connection is going to be used. Why? bandwidth > is costly in many parts of the world esp developing countries. A few > MB's also means a lot

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008/12/26 HggdH : > Le Thursday 25 December 2008 à 22:40 +0200, Dotan Cohen a écrit : >> 2008/12/25 Manish Sinha : >> > I again repeat the above line since bandwidth is one of the two main >> > issues, first being the installer connecting to the internet without >> > user's consent. >> > >> >> Hav

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Agreed. Our only difference of opinion is whether or not a concerned > user should take a bit of responsibility himself. > Yes, but saying "We could offer you the option, but simply won't, so instead you have to pull the cable" is not the n

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008/12/26 nergar : > This is getting out of proportion. Ubuntu should NOT ask if it is ok to > get updates. We are trying to run a "Linux for human beings" distro and > if we start taking steps in this direction, we might as well ask for > permission to connect when opening firefox. The last thing

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008/12/26 nergar : > If such a thing is implemented, it should be checked by default and > hidden in the Advanced settings dialog. Unexperienced users should get > security updates by default. > 1) The installer is not getting security updates, it is getting language packs. 2) Otherwise agreed. I

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008/12/26 Manish Sinha : > Sorry, I don't agree. If network cable being plugged in means consent, then > what is the difference between installer and a malware? > From the user's point of view, there is no difference. Since when has malware made it clear that it is malicious? That was a rather n

How to push bugs upstream

Hello all, one of my bug reports (282379) didn't get any attention and, as it's a problem likely better solved upstreams, I'd like to push the bug upstreams myself. Is there any recommended or standardized procedure to do so?

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 08:55:42AM +0100, Milosz Derezynski wrote: > On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 8:43 AM, nergar wrote: > > > YES, we should disable OS updates by default for "n00bs" just because a > > paranoid user made a comment. Very intelligent. > > > > > Now you're being paranoid. > > No one

Re: How to push bugs upstream

2008/12/26 Markus Hitter : > Hello all, > > one of my bug reports (282379) didn't get any attention and, as it's > a problem likely better solved upstreams, I'd like to push the bug > upstreams myself. Is there any recommended or standardized procedure > to do so? > >

Re: How to push bugs upstream

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:57:09 +0100 Markus Hitter wrote: > Hello all, > > one of my bug reports (282379) didn't get any attention and, as it's > a problem likely better solved upstreams, I'd like to push the bug > upstreams myself. Is there any recommended or standardized procedure > to do

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

nergar wrote: > Tim Hawkins wrote: >> Connecting and transferring data online during an offline media install >> is not an expected activity, > > No? why not? Its just getting updates!> exactly! it is the kind of >> "phone home" activity that is derided of other OS's such as Microsoft >> wi

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

The only things that Ubiquity gets from the internet, are certain language packs. So let's make it really easy: if such a language is chosen, a message will appear (not a popup, but a message at the bottom of the screen) that reads "You need an internet connection to install this language.". Remco

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Remco wrote: > The only things that Ubiquity gets from the internet, are certain > language packs. So let's make it really easy: if such a language is > chosen, a message will appear (not a popup, but a message at the > bottom of the screen) that reads "You need an

RE: You lost a new Ubuntu user

Completely agree with you. On my EX linux network I made a server (under rsync and apache) for upgrading. in the meanwhile (changing conf files) I can't lose bandwith because every client try to update from internet. THIS IS NOT GOOD. not everyone has an ADSL connection, but so many uses sy

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

On Fri, 2008-12-26 at 01:43 -0600, nergar wrote: > YES, we should disable OS updates by default for "n00bs" just because a > paranoid user made a comment. Very intelligent. Watch your attitude, please. Nobody suggested that. They're saying it should default to installing security updates and la

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

Remco wrote: > Come to think of it, what happens with the current installer if a user > chooses such a language without an internet connection? Will it just > hang? Will it install software without a language? > > Yesterday I installed Intrepid on my desktop. I plugged out all network cables be