Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread Vishal Rao
Here is a bug I found : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/294523 I'm not sure if it's appropriate to post "me too" comments asking for it to be a wishlist to have the installer prompt to go online... -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread Manish Sinha
Vishal Rao wrote: > Here is a bug I found : > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/294523 > It has been turned into a wishlist and approved too. Hope it gets implemented in coming days.. -- Manish Sinha Personal Blog: http://www.manishsinha.info Tech Blog: http://manishtech

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread Dylan McCall
Keep in mind that prompting before going online would, with the simplest solution, block the installation process and require user intevention which is absolutely against how Ubiquity should behave. Instead, there would need to be a checkbox in the final setup page to "check online for security upd

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread Manish Sinha
Dylan McCall wrote: > Keep in mind that prompting before going online would, with the > simplest solution, block the installation process and require user > intevention which is absolutely against how Ubiquity should behave. > Instead, there would need to be a checkbox in the final setup page to >

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/12/25 Dylan McCall : > Keep in mind that prompting before going online would, with the > simplest solution, block the installation process and require user > intevention which is absolutely against how Ubiquity should behave. > Instead, there would need to be a checkbox in the final setup page

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Dotan Cohen ha scritto: > 2008/12/25 Dylan McCall : >> Keep in mind that prompting before going online would, with the >> simplest solution, block the installation process and require user >> intevention which is absolutely against how Ubiquity should behave. >> Instead, there would need to be a ch

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/12/25 Vincenzo Ciancia : > Well, the checkbox solution seems much better, and it should also be checked > on by default, so that an unexperienced user will get upgrades and languages > without worrying. There should be a "more info" button that explains the > situation to the user, and also te

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread Manish Sinha
Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > > Well, the checkbox solution seems much better, and it should also be > checked on by default, so that an unexperienced user will get upgrades > and languages without worrying. There should be a "more info" button > that explains the situation to the user, and also tel

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/12/25 Manish Sinha : > I again repeat the above line since bandwidth is one of the two main > issues, first being the installer connecting to the internet without > user's consent. > Having the network cable plugged in implies consent. If you don't want you computer connecting to a network, t

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread HggdH
Le Thursday 25 December 2008 à 22:40 +0200, Dotan Cohen a écrit : > 2008/12/25 Manish Sinha : > > I again repeat the above line since bandwidth is one of the two main > > issues, first being the installer connecting to the internet without > > user's consent. > > > > Having the network cable plugg

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread nergar
This is getting out of proportion. Ubuntu should NOT ask if it is ok to get updates. We are trying to run a "Linux for human beings" distro and if we start taking steps in this direction, we might as well ask for permission to connect when opening firefox. The last thing we need are more dialog

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread Chris
When Ubuntu first starts up, a GNOME notification pop up that you are connected to the Internet, so you should assume that there's going to be downloading involved. On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 9:55 PM, HggdH wrote: > Le Thursday 25 December 2008 à 22:40 +0200, Dotan Cohen a écrit : > > 2008/12/25 Ma

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread Chris
I agree that a checkbox should be implemented. Think it'll be ready in Jaunty? =P -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread nergar
Tim Hawkins wrote: > Connecting and transferring data online during an offline media install > is not an expected activity, No? why not? Its just getting updates! it is the kind of > "phone home" activity that is derided of other OS's such as Microsoft > windows. I think the problem with Mi

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread nergar
If such a thing is implemented, it should be checked by default and hidden in the Advanced settings dialog. Unexperienced users should get security updates by default. Chris wrote: > I agree that a checkbox should be implemented. > Think it'll be ready in Jaunty? =P > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread Manish Sinha
Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/12/25 Manish Sinha : > >> I again repeat the above line since bandwidth is one of the two main >> issues, first being the installer connecting to the internet without >> user's consent. >> >> > > Having the network cable plugged in implies consent. If you don't wan

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread Manish Sinha
nergar wrote: > This is getting out of proportion. Ubuntu should NOT ask if it is ok to > get updates. We are trying to run a "Linux for human beings" distro and > if we start taking steps in this direction, we might as well ask for > permission to connect when opening firefox. The last thing we

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread Manish Sinha
Chris wrote: > When Ubuntu first starts up, a GNOME notification pop up that you are > connected to the Internet, so you should assume that there's going to > be downloading involved. How can one assume that connecting to the internet implicitly means *downloading involved* ? When one has an ins

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread Manish Sinha
nergar wrote: > If such a thing is implemented, it should be checked by default and > hidden in the Advanced settings dialog. Unexperienced users should get > security updates by default. > > Sounds like "Windows Update" which is enabled by default, it even quietly connects to the internet in

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread Milosz Derezynski
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 7:35 AM, nergar wrote: > > Tim Hawkins wrote: > > Connecting and transferring data online during an offline media install > > is not an expected activity, > > No? why not? Its just getting updates! > It doesn't really matter what "it" *is* "just" doing, what (only) matter

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread nergar
YES, we should disable OS updates by default for "n00bs" just because a paranoid user made a comment. Very intelligent. Manish Sinha wrote: > nergar wrote: >> If such a thing is implemented, it should be checked by default and >> hidden in the Advanced settings dialog. Unexperienced users should

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread Milosz Derezynski
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 8:43 AM, nergar wrote: > YES, we should disable OS updates by default for "n00bs" just because a > paranoid user made a comment. Very intelligent. > Now you're being paranoid. No one said something about disabling it by default, it's merely about bringing it to the user

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread Ian Lynch
On Thu, 2008-12-25 at 23:29 -0600, nergar wrote: > This is getting out of proportion. Ubuntu should NOT ask if it is ok to > get updates. We are trying to run a "Linux for human beings" distro and > if we start taking steps in this direction, we might as well ask for > permission to connect when

Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

2008-12-25 Thread Manish Sinha
nergar wrote: > YES, we should disable OS updates by default for "n00bs" just because > a paranoid user made a comment. Very intelligent. Disable updates? Who said so? I agree that Peter Henderson went too far and dumped Ubuntu, but I agree that downloading updates needs a consent and the checkbo