Re: Intrepid's gnome-session will easilly cause serious user data loss

2008-10-29 Thread (``-_-´´) -- Fernando
Olá Markus e a todos. On Tuesday 28 October 2008 22:44:03 Markus Hitter wrote: > Am 28.10.2008 um 18:36 schrieb Chris Coulson: > > So, it's been running all night waiting for me to respond to a dialog! > Yet another reason to use standby or suspend instead of shutdown. ;-) When it works, lol http

Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread lkmail
Good day Please add mc to the '8.10'. It's very useful -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)
Hi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Please add mc to the '8.10'. It's very useful It's too late to change anything in 8.10, it's frozen solid :) Also, as useful as mc is, it's only useful to a small amount of users, and will waste precious space on the Ubuntu release discs. mc is incredibly easy to in

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Michael Bienia
On 2008-10-29 05:12:36 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Good day > Please add mc to the '8.10'. It's very useful It's included in the 'universe' component. $ apt-cache show mc Package: mc Section: universe/utils Version: 2:4.6.2~git20080311-2 Description: midnight commander - a powerful file man

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Martin Pitt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-10-29 5:12 +0800]: > Good day > Please add mc to the '8.10'. It's very useful It's right there, package "mc", as it has always been in all Ubuntu releases. Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian De

Re: Quagga Update Package

2008-10-29 Thread Chris Coulson
2008/10/29 Orbiting Code Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hello, > > I am a loyal Ubuntu user and would like to know if there is a plan to > release the newer version of Quagga as an apt-get package for Ubuntu > 8.04 Server. We run a small web hosting facility, and run BGP on an > Ubuntu Server for two

Quagga Update Package

2008-10-29 Thread Orbiting Code Inc.
Hello, I am a loyal Ubuntu user and would like to know if there is a plan to release the newer version of Quagga as an apt-get package for Ubuntu 8.04 Server. We run a small web hosting facility, and run BGP on an Ubuntu Server for two T1 lines. There is a bug that causes ppp interfaces to be

Re: Intrepid's gnome-session will easilly cause serious user data loss

2008-10-29 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 29.10.2008 um 09:16 schrieb (``-_-´´) -- Fernando: > On Tuesday 28 October 2008 22:44:03 Markus Hitter wrote: >> Am 28.10.2008 um 18:36 schrieb Chris Coulson: >>> So, it's been running all night waiting for me to respond to a >>> dialog! >> Yet another reason to use standby or suspend instea

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Felix Miata
On 2008/10/29 11:56 (GMT+0200) Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) composed: > Also, as useful as mc is, it's only useful to a small amount of users, > and will waste precious space on the Ubuntu release discs. mc is > incredibly easy to install and it's not a big download, so I doubt it > will be an is

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday 29 October 2008 08:36, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2008/10/29 11:56 (GMT+0200) Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) composed: > > Also, as useful as mc is, it's only useful to a small amount of users, > > and will waste precious space on the Ubuntu release discs. mc is > > incredibly easy to inst

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Felix Miata
On 2008/10/29 08:51 (GMT-0400) Scott Kitterman composed: > On Wednesday 29 October 2008 08:36, Felix Miata wrote: >> ...users who install only to find broken X and/or networking ... >> Leaving mc off the CD is like equipping a new car >> with the usual spare tire, but no jack... > ... and doesn'

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 29.10.2008 um 14:10 schrieb Felix Miata: > This isn't the first time here mc has been deemed dispensible. This doesn't surprise me, as mc is a (intentionally old-fashioned) file manager an Nautilus covers this functionality already. One possible way of dealing with the situation is to add

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Felix Miata
On 2008/10/29 14:23 (GMT+0100) Markus Hitter composed: > Am 29.10.2008 um 14:10 schrieb Felix Miata: >> This isn't the first time here mc has been deemed dispensible. > This doesn't surprise me, as mc is a (intentionally old-fashioned) > file manager an Nautilus covers this functionality alread

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Thomas Novin
I haven't used MC since late 1990's and I can't really say I miss it! I perform lots of file-managing tasks every day and I'm quite happy with Nautilus. So no, I don't think MC _needs_ to be anywhere. Rgds -Original Message- From: Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Felix Miata
On 2008/10/29 14:48 (GMT+0100) Thomas Novin composed: > I haven't used MC since late 1990's and I can't really say I miss it! I > perform lots of file-managing tasks every day and I'm quite happy with > Nautilus. How nice for you that you've never had broken X, and never will have, and never will

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 10:29 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2008/10/29 14:48 (GMT+0100) Thomas Novin composed: > > > I haven't used MC since late 1990's and I can't really say I miss it! I > > perform lots of file-managing tasks every day and I'm quite happy with > > Nautilus. > > How nice for you

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)
Hi Felix Felix Miata wrote: >> I haven't used MC since late 1990's and I can't really say I miss it! I >> perform lots of file-managing tasks every day and I'm quite happy with >> Nautilus. > > How nice for you that you've never had broken X, and never will have, and > never will need to help som

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Felix Miata
On 2008/10/29 17:18 (GMT+0200) Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) composed: > Felix Miata wrote: >>> I haven't used MC since late 1990's and I can't really say I miss it! I >>> perform lots of file-managing tasks every day and I'm quite happy with >>> Nautilus. >> How nice for you that you've never h

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Felix Miata
On 2008/10/29 10:37 (GMT-0400) Mackenzie Morgan composed: > On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 10:29 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: >> How nice for you that you've never had broken X, and never will have, and >> never will need to help someone else with broken X. > When X breaks, use bash. Simple enough. Wrong.

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Martin Pitt
Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) [2008-10-29 17:18 +0200]: > I'm not quite sure > how mc would make it easier for users to fix an X server. That's what > things like the failsafe X session are for ... or the "Fix my X" option in friendly-recovery in the rescue mode. Martin -- Martin Pitt

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Martin Pitt
Felix Miata [2008-10-29 10:29 -0400]: > How nice for you that you've never had broken X But that's not what you asked about? Even if your installed system is totally broken, the live system will always boot, and seriously, the chances that X doesn't work in the live system, not even with a boring

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Henrik Johansson
Hi, I am sorry to but in like this but this seems like a non-issue really or have i missed the point entirely? @Felix: You want mc on the CD since you have neither X nor a working network? I mean 'sudo apt-get install mc' is not really hard to type right? There are several potential problems w

Re: Preparing for Ubuntu Open Week

2008-10-29 Thread Matthew East
Hi Jorge, On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Jorge O. Castro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Right now we've penciled off Monday 3 November to 7 November as Open > Week for this cycle. {snip} > Basically, if you're doing something cool that you'd like to run a > session on, put your name down on the

Linux kernel debug information missing from Intrepid

2008-10-29 Thread Stefano Doni
Hello guys, first of let me congratulate on the Intrepid release, you made a great work, as usual! I would like to bring to your attention though that Intrepid seems to lack the linux-image-debug package. This is needed in order to use the Systemtap utility. I've filed a bug here: https://bug

Re: Intrepid's gnome-session will easilly cause serious user data loss

2008-10-29 Thread Phillip Susi
Markus Hitter wrote: > Glad to see standby and suspend getting more attention. > > For the records, I'm even dual-booting two suspended states on the > same computer. Using Grub, I can choose wether to resume the > suspended (hibernated) Windows XP or the suspended Intrepid. Works > like a c

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Phillip Susi
Felix Miata wrote: > How nice for you that you've never had broken X, and never will have, and > never will need to help someone else with broken X. > >> So no, I don't think MC _needs_ to be anywhere. > > Right. You'll never need it, so no one else should have it either. Ever heard > of the tyra

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Felix Miata
On 2008/10/29 16:28 (GMT-0400) Phillip Susi composed: > How exactly is mc vital to fixing a broken X? It's vital to fixing broken __, __, __, ___, etc., etc. in generic fashion, and extremely helpful in talking an unfamiliar user through same. Only one tool is required to find, do

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Chris Jones
Regarding Midnight Commander (mc): I'm a very heavy user of mc and use it for pretty much anything file related on a day-to-day basis. And once you get used to it and know how to harness its power, you'll never use Nautilus (or any other graphical file manager) again. And I'm not speaking for a mi

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:01:33PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2008/10/29 16:28 (GMT-0400) Phillip Susi composed: > > > How exactly is mc vital to fixing a broken X? > > It's vital to fixing broken __, __, __, ___, etc., etc. in > generic fashion (Citation needed) -- Matthew

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Felipe Figueiredo
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 03:11 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:01:33PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > > On 2008/10/29 16:28 (GMT-0400) Phillip Susi composed: > > > > > How exactly is mc vital to fixing a broken X? > > > > It's vital to fixing broken __, __, __, __

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Felix Miata
On 2008/10/30 12:41 (GMT+1000) Chris Jones composed: > And as mentioned already, anyone who uses mc will probably not be using > it off a live cd anyway. Any time I boot a Knoppix CD it's a virtual certainty that the first thing I do once it finishes booting is start MC. I boot Knoppix to fix thi

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Christopher James Halse Rogers
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 01:26 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2008/10/30 12:41 (GMT+1000) Chris Jones composed: > > > And as mentioned already, anyone who uses mc will probably not be using > > it off a live cd anyway. > > Any time I boot a Knoppix CD it's a virtual certainty that the first thing I

Re: Midnight Commander in 8.10

2008-10-29 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:17:11PM +0100, Martin Pitt wrote: > Felix Miata [2008-10-29 10:29 -0400]: > > How nice for you that you've never had broken X > > But that's not what you asked about? Even if your installed system is > totally broken, the live system will always boot, and seriously, the