Op vrijdag 26-10-2007 om 10:16 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef Scott
Kitterman:
> The change to stop back space from losing my data solved a huge (real)
> usability problem for me.
And it causes a huge real usability problem for me and many other
people. (I think I don't use any Firefox shortcut
On Friday 26 October 2007 03:31, Jan Claeys wrote:
> Op dinsdag 23-10-2007 om 10:29 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Alexander
>
> Sack:
> > this was changed from 2.0 to 3.0. See bug 358764 ...
>
> Apparently the Mozilla.org people change a long-established user
> interface twice within 1 year and the
Op dinsdag 23-10-2007 om 10:29 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Alexander
Sack:
> this was changed from 2.0 to 3.0. See bug 358764 ...
Apparently the Mozilla.org people change a long-established user
interface twice within 1 year and then claim they do it because that's
better UI design. Considering
Op maandag 22-10-2007 om 07:19 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef Scott
Kitterman:
> On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:13:52 +0200 Jan Claeys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Op zondag 21-10-2007 om 11:28 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef Scott
> >Kitterman:
> >> IIRC, there were a number of open bugs against Firefox reg
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> There is no dataloss for Web sites that allow caching, but there is
> dataloss for sites that use HTTPS, such as wiki.ubuntu.com. Firefox
Launchpad uses https and I guess it allows caching because form data is
retained on back/forward there. I don't see why firefox
Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Well you found the bug, so you do. Your choice. Linux is like that (the
> choice part).
>
> Not losing data regularly is a big win for me. You're saying it's better for
> people to lose data than to have to learn to use a program slightly
> differently.
I fail to un
On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 05:04:03PM +1300, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> On Oct 23, 2007, at 1:36 AM, Alexander Sack wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 12:59:13PM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
>> ...
>>> Another consideration here is that changes to the defaults like this need
>>> to be discussed w
On Oct 23, 2007, at 1:36 AM, Alexander Sack wrote:
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 12:59:13PM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
...
Another consideration here is that changes to the defaults like this
need to be discussed with Mozilla upstream, as it's important to them
that the user experience in Ubuntu b
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 12:59:13PM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 20, 2007 at 06:17:24PM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote:
> > On Sat, 2007-10-20 at 17:27 -0700, Martin Olsson wrote:
> >
> > > I really really would like to see "BACKSPACE as BACK" working in
> > > Firefox. I think this
On Sat, Oct 20, 2007 at 06:17:24PM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-10-20 at 17:27 -0700, Martin Olsson wrote:
>
> > I really really would like to see "BACKSPACE as BACK" working in
> > Firefox. I think this is the kind of polish bug that makes a lot of
> > people stay away from
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:13:52 +0200 Jan Claeys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Op zondag 21-10-2007 om 11:28 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef Scott
>Kitterman:
>> IIRC, there were a number of open bugs against Firefox regarding
>> incorrect loss of focus and so what often happened was that you could
>> los
On Sunday 21 October 2007 01:27:25 Martin Olsson wrote:
> I really really would like to see "BACKSPACE as BACK" working in
> Firefox. I think this is the kind of polish bug that makes a lot of
> people stay away from ubuntu (beyond hardware problems of course).
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubu
Op maandag 22-10-2007 om 08:04 uur [tijdzone +1300], schreef Matthew
Paul Thomas:
> Microsoft doesn't know squat about designing keybindings. Why did they
> choose Ctrl+V for Paste -- by far the most popular command in
> Microsoft Office -- when (in QWERTY layout) it's difficult to reach
> with one
On Oct 22, 2007, at 7:08 AM, Martin Olsson wrote:
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
A confirmation alert is usually the worst possible solution to any
design problem. People treat it as an interruption rather than as a
serious question. (Some horrid Web sites already do this, with
JavaScript alert
Op zondag 21-10-2007 om 11:28 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef Scott
Kitterman:
> IIRC, there were a number of open bugs against Firefox regarding
> incorrect loss of focus and so what often happened was that you could
> lose focus in a text box without taking action to do so and then end
> up paging
Op zondag 21-10-2007 om 12:53 uur [tijdzone +1300], schreef Matthew Paul
Thomas:
> On Oct 21, 2007, at 9:03 PM, Martin Olsson wrote:
> >
> > Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> >>
> >> It's the wrong way to fix it. You can lose data by clicking enter
> >> while a link is focused too, should we disable the ent
On Sun, 2007-10-21 at 17:45 -0700, Martin Olsson wrote:
> Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > On Sunday 21 October 2007 14:08, Martin Olsson wrote:
> >
> >> And to justify this crippled BACKSPACE key you still would have to
> >> explain why this is not a problem on Windows ("the main platform of
> >> igno
Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Sunday 21 October 2007 14:08, Martin Olsson wrote:
>
>> And to justify this crippled BACKSPACE key you still would have to
>> explain why this is not a problem on Windows ("the main platform of
>> ignorant computer users")? Why is it that Firefox on Windows still has
>>
> If you want to talk about Windows/Linux consistencey in Firefox, there are
> far
> more common issues. Get Preferences moved from Edit to Tools in Linux is
> you
> are worried about consistency.
Sure, from an accessibility perspective you are comparing a non frequently
used menu entry change w
On Sunday 21 October 2007 14:08, Martin Olsson wrote:
> And to justify this crippled BACKSPACE key you still would have to
> explain why this is not a problem on Windows ("the main platform of
> ignorant computer users")? Why is it that Firefox on Windows still has
> this "really serious data loss
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
>
> A confirmation alert is usually the worst possible solution to any
> design problem. People treat it as an interruption rather than as a
> serious question. (Some horrid Web sites already do this, with
> JavaScript alerts of the form "Are you sure you want to navi
> It's the wrong way to fix it. You can lose data by clicking enter
> while a link is focused too, should we disable the enter key? The
Your example doesn't fit. Navigation is the PRIMARY function of the enter key.
Enter is for submitting URLs in the location bar, for following links, and
subm
On Sunday 21 October 2007 04:03, Martin Olsson wrote:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> > It's the wrong way to fix it. You can lose data by clicking enter
> > while a link is focused too, should we disable the enter key? The
> > right solution has been mentioned multiple times in multiple places:
> > pro
On Oct 21, 2007, at 9:03 PM, Martin Olsson wrote:
Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
It's the wrong way to fix it. You can lose data by clicking enter
while a link is focused too, should we disable the enter key? The
right solution has been mentioned multiple times in multiple places:
prompt "Are you sure
On 21/10/2007, Martin Olsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> >
> > It's the wrong way to fix it. You can lose data by clicking enter
> > while a link is focused too, should we disable the enter key? The
> > right solution has been mentioned multiple times in multiple place
> Users overly concerned with using something that looks and feels like
> Windows, IMO, probably want to run Windows. "Windows does " is
> really an irrelvant argument from my perspective.
The issue is not about pro-Windows or anti-Windows users, the point is that
people are used to a given be
On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:56:02 -0300 "Nicolas Alvarez"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 10/20/07, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Saturday 20 October 2007 18:30, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> > On 10/20/07, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > Users overly concerned with usin
On 10/21/07, Martin Olsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> >
> > It's the wrong way to fix it. You can lose data by clicking enter
> > while a link is focused too, should we disable the enter key? The
> > right solution has been mentioned multiple times in multiple places:
Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>
> It's the wrong way to fix it. You can lose data by clicking enter
> while a link is focused too, should we disable the enter key? The
> right solution has been mentioned multiple times in multiple places:
> prompt "Are you sure you want to change page and lose what you
On 10/20/07, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 20 October 2007 18:30, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> > On 10/20/07, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Users overly concerned with using something that looks and feels like
> > > Windows, IMO, probably want to run Window
On Saturday 20 October 2007 18:30, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> On 10/20/07, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Users overly concerned with using something that looks and feels like
> > Windows, IMO, probably want to run Windows. "Windows does " is
> > really an irrelvant argument from
On 10/20/07, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Users overly concerned with using something that looks and feels like Windows,
> IMO, probably want to run Windows. "Windows does " is really an
> irrelvant argument from my perspective.
Should I throw away absolutely all advantages of
On Sunday 21 October 2007 03:01, Martin Olsson wrote:
> Fergal Daly wrote:
> > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290474
> >
> > has been sitting unloved for over 2.5 years now. Notepad.exe still
> > takes more care to preserve your hard work :(
> >
> > So unless firefox becomes much more
Fergal Daly wrote:
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290474
>
> has been sitting unloved for over 2.5 years now. Notepad.exe still
> takes more care to preserve your hard work :(
>
> So unless firefox becomes much more careful about user edits, it seems
> to me that using the same
On 20/10/2007, Nicolas Alvarez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/20/07, Aaron C. de Bruyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I installed Ubuntu just yesterday, and backspace not mapping to 'back
> > > in history' is the main annoying thing I found. It happened once or
> > > twice (in a year) that I
> Maybe you mean that you "switched from Windows to Linux for.." because
> Firefox on Windows has always used BACKSPACE==BACK. Also, I agree that
> reversability is very important in GUIs (being smart about "confirms" and
> providing good undo where it makes sense).
Hmm--I never ran into my mos
Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> I switched from IE to Firefox for three reasons:
>> 1. Tabs rock
>> 2. Open source rocks
>> 3. Not suddenly finding myself 5 pages back in my history rocks.
Maybe you mean that you "switched from Windows to Linux for.." because
Firefox on Windows has always used BACKS
On 10/20/07, Aaron C. de Bruyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I installed Ubuntu just yesterday, and backspace not mapping to 'back
> > in history' is the main annoying thing I found. It happened once or
> > twice (in a year) that I went one page back when I wanted to delete
> > text, because I was
> I installed Ubuntu just yesterday, and backspace not mapping to 'back
> in history' is the main annoying thing I found. It happened once or
> twice (in a year) that I went one page back when I wanted to delete
> text, because I wasn't focused on the right control. But I'd
> definitely choose the
On 10/20/07, Martin Olsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I really really would like to see "BACKSPACE as BACK" working in
> Firefox. I think this is the kind of polish bug that makes a lot of
> people stay away from ubuntu (beyond hardware problems of course).
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+
On Sat, 2007-10-20 at 17:27 -0700, Martin Olsson wrote:
> I really really would like to see "BACKSPACE as BACK" working in
> Firefox. I think this is the kind of polish bug that makes a lot of
> people stay away from ubuntu (beyond hardware problems of course).
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ub
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