Re: Firestarter

2010-08-31 Thread Jim Kielman
On 10-08-31 05:42 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 05:09:55PM -0700, Jim Kielman wrote: >> >> are more then adequate for the average user that is running any >> services. To answer your questions as to why they have to use a >> firewall, they don't, it's just something they did

Re: Firestarter (Chris Jones)

2010-08-31 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 05:09:55PM -0700, Jim Kielman wrote: > > are more then adequate for the average user that is running any > services. To answer your questions as to why they have to use a > firewall, they don't, it's just something they did when they ran > Windows, and they can't believe

Re: Firestarter (Chris Jones)

2010-08-31 Thread Jim Kielman
On 10-08-31 08:21 AM, Krzysztof Klimonda wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 07:59 -0700, George Farris wrote: >> >> Gufw is in no way suitable for a new user. They have no idea what >> iptables are or rules for that matter. >> >> George > > What is the actual use case for a simple and graphical firewa

Re: XDG Config Folders

2010-08-31 Thread Martin Owens
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 19:35 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > I think working to promote cross desktop adoption of technologies that > make it easier to interact with data in a consistent, DE independent > manner, (like Akonadi) will do more to solve this class of problems > than specification work.

Re: XDG Config Folders

2010-08-31 Thread Scott Kitterman
"Martin Owens" wrote: > > >On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 00:19 +0200, Krzysztof Klimonda wrote: >> For example you are saying that emails should go to the directory >> specified in user-dirs.[defaults,dirs] but that makes no sense uless >> we >> are thinking about $DOCUMENTS/.email_app/. Emails, while

Re: XDG Config Folders

2010-08-31 Thread Martin Owens
On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 00:19 +0200, Krzysztof Klimonda wrote: > For example you are saying that emails should go to the directory > specified in user-dirs.[defaults,dirs] but that makes no sense uless > we > are thinking about $DOCUMENTS/.email_app/. Emails, while being > documents, aren't really

Re: XDG Config Folders

2010-08-31 Thread Krzysztof Klimonda
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 22:51 +0200, Sebastian Geiger wrote: > Hi, Hey Sebastian, (...) > I just wanted to bring this up, if there has already been a discussion > about this, maybe someone can point me to it or let me know about the > current status about this issue. This topic shows up from time

Re: XDG Config Folders

2010-08-31 Thread Krzysztof Klimonda
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 17:34 -0400, Martin Owens wrote: > > A common mistake which is repeated a few times in the links you provided > is the part about XDG_DATA_HOME being the location for user files. What > the specification means by 'user specific data files' is not your > emails, photographs or

Re: XDG Config Folders

2010-08-31 Thread Martin Owens
Hey Sebastian, On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 22:51 +0200, Sebastian Geiger wrote: > I just wanted to bring this up, if there has already been a discussion > about this, maybe someone can point me to it or let me know about the > current status about this issue. XDG underuse and misuse is a pet peeve of

XDG Config Folders

2010-08-31 Thread Sebastian Geiger
Hi, has there ever been a discussion about the FreeDesktop Spec for configuration files. FYI, the spec says to put config files not into the home folder directly but instead proposes there separate directories: XDG_DATA_HOME: ~/.local/share XDG_CONFIG_HOME: ~/.config XDG_CACHE_HOME: ~/

Re: Firestarter (Chris Jones)

2010-08-31 Thread George Farris
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 17:21 +0200, Krzysztof Klimonda wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 07:59 -0700, George Farris wrote: > > > > Gufw is in no way suitable for a new user. They have no idea what > > iptables are or rules for that matter. > > > > George > > What is the actual use case for a simple

Re: Firestarter (Chris Jones)

2010-08-31 Thread Krzysztof Klimonda
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 07:59 -0700, George Farris wrote: > > Gufw is in no way suitable for a new user. They have no idea what > iptables are or rules for that matter. > > George What is the actual use case for a simple and graphical firewall? Why do people who have no idea what iptables or rule

Re: Firestarter (Chris Jones)

2010-08-31 Thread George Farris
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 17:58 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Monday, August 30, 2010 05:49:48 pm George Farris wrote: > > On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 14:20 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 09:22:40PM -0400, Greg Bair wrote: > > > > On 08/28/2010 08:35 PM, Robert Holtzman wrot

Re: Firestarter (Chris Jones)

2010-08-31 Thread Jamie Strandboge
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 17:58 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Monday, August 30, 2010 05:49:48 pm George Farris wrote: > > On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 14:20 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 09:22:40PM -0400, Greg Bair wrote: > > > > On 08/28/2010 08:35 PM, Robert Holtzman wrot

Re: Firestarter (Chris Jones)

2010-08-31 Thread Usama Akkad
Hi, I think firestarter is the best of it's kind. I've been using it for three years and it always dowse the job. we better think in removing UFW than firestarter On 2010 8 31 00:59, "Scott Kitterman" wrote: On Monday, August 30, 2010 05:49:48 pm George Farris wrote: > On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 14:2