Broken session idling/power management in Karmic

There seems to be a set of very irritating regressions in Karmic (well, gnome 2.28.0) regarding session idling or power management inhibition. Core software such as eog and totem seem to break it. In the case at hand, your screen will never blank, never lock, and your IM will never be set to away (

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Derek Broughton wrote: > Christopher Chan wrote: > > >>> Professionals need to be "on-call". In fact, for most medical treatment, >>> the doctor _is_ "on-call". If we could make the day-to-day >>> administration of servers simple and fool-proof, the small business owner >>> might be far more h

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Steven Susbauer wrote: > > On Oct 27, 2009, at 6:53 PM, Christopher Chan wrote: >> Hands up those who know end users that understand tcp/ip enough to >> decide on a static ip for the UDS server that will host the user account >> database, the update repository and the monitoring software. > > > So

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Christopher Chan wrote: >> Professionals need to be "on-call". In fact, for most medical treatment, >> the doctor _is_ "on-call". If we could make the day-to-day >> administration of servers simple and fool-proof, the small business owner >> might be far more happy to consider keeping an expert

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:53:08 +0800 Christopher Chan wrote: >Steven Susbauer wrote: >> On Oct 27, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Shentino wrote: >> >> >>> Just curious, but would Landscape have any feature set overlap with >>> what we're talking about here? I read that canonical uses it >>> commercial

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

On Oct 27, 2009, at 6:53 PM, Christopher Chan wrote: > Hands up those who know end users that understand tcp/ip enough to > decide on a static ip for the UDS server that will host the user > account > database, the update repository and the monitoring software. So now you're what, bashing land

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Steven Susbauer wrote: > On Oct 27, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Shentino wrote: > > >> Just curious, but would Landscape have any feature set overlap with >> what we're talking about here? I read that canonical uses it >> commercially. >> >> > > This has brought my focus back on the subject lin

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Derek Broughton wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > >>> I completely disagree. There's no theoretical reason why a computer >>> program couldn't do any of the above. >>> >> We are discussing practice, not theory. In theory, there isn't any >> difference between the two. But in practice... >>

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Derek Broughton wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > My arguments are against making a dangerous tool accessible to the masses. Assessible in this context meaning "seemingly designed for". >>> I understand that - but the problem is the dangerous tool IS already >>> accessible

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Derek Broughton wrote: > Christopher Chan wrote: > > >> Derek Broughton wrote: >> >>> Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: >>> >>> Derek Broughton wrote: > I don't follow why you would think an X server on Windows is required. > >

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

On Oct 27, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Shentino wrote: > Just curious, but would Landscape have any feature set overlap with > what we're talking about here? I read that canonical uses it > commercially. > This has brought my focus back on the subject line for what we're all replying to. I think i

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> My arguments are against making a dangerous tool accessible to the >>> masses. Assessible in this context meaning "seemingly designed for". >> >> I understand that - but the problem is the dangerous tool IS already >> accessible to the masses. They can set up completely bol

Re: Compiz zoom scary, enabled by default in Karmic RC

I just helped a Mac user the other day whose cat was stumbling across the keyboard as she scrolled and it ended up doing the zoom gesture. Completely unfamiliar with the feature, she was unable to restore the screen to original zoom level. So, no, while I feel super-scroll is obvious when

Re: Compiz zoom scary, enabled by default in Karmic RC

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Jan Claeys wrote: > You mean button 3 (the middle button is the "third" button as it was > added to mice after the main (left) button and the right button). > Ah, sorry, I did mean button 3. I think the Super+Scrollwheel is okay (and more discovarable), but may

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

>> My arguments are against making a dangerous tool accessible to the >> masses. Assessible in this context meaning "seemingly designed for". > > I understand that - but the problem is the dangerous tool IS already > accessible to the masses.  They can set up completely bollixed servers with > MS t

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Just curious, but would Landscape have any feature set overlap with what we're talking about here? I read that canonical uses it commercially. On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Derek Broughton wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > Here is a great example of people administering things that they > > s

Re: why update-manager doesn't mark new packages as auto-installed?

I would tend to second the motion, especially in cases where said new packages are already a dependency of another package. IIRC, ubuntu-desktop (and maybe a few others) are the apex packages that represent what is installed. Anything new that is already a dependency of the new version of these "

Re: PulseAudio Applets

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 6:38 AM, Kyle Amadio wrote: > Has anyone else got this problem? - none of my PulseAudio applets work - > none of them A bit more detail -- e.g., bug reports -- would be useful. -Dan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settin

PulseAudio Applets

Has anyone else got this problem? - none of my PulseAudio applets work - none of them Karmic 9.10 RC 64bit -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss

Re: Compiz zoom scary, enabled by default in Karmic RC

On Oct 25, 2009, at 4:16 PM, Jordan Mantha wrote: > > > I've accidentally hit this zoom thing many many more times than I ever > accidentally hit the dreaded Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. I've never figured > out a good > way to get out of it other than to reboot my computer so the effect > was about >

Re: Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 35, Issue 54

2009/10/26 George Farris : > On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 14:16 -0500, solaris manzur wrote: >> >> >>           1. Re: cancel the 9.10 release... it is not ready (Markus >>         Hitter) >> >> I agree we should cancel it and deliver 9.12 in a week or so.. it is >> better because it is the time and we st

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Dotan Cohen wrote: > Here is a great example of people administering things that they > shouldn't: > > http://thedailywtf.com/Comments/PHP-has-an-eval-function-like-perl.aspx > Very funny. Now, wouldn't it have been better to give Jim some useful tools? -- derek -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mai

why update-manager doesn't mark new packages as auto-installed?

In update-manager some packages marked as 'new install'. I think, this packages always depend on currently installed ones. Therefore, why wouldn't mark new packages as auto-installed? This will prevent the accumulation of unused packages in the system. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-

Re: artwork

On 10/25/2009 10:19 PM, Dustin Kirkland wrote: > First, before sending an email criticizing aesthetics, I would pass my > own text through a spell checker and carefully examine the format of > the composition. Questioning the messenger instead of the message is a logical fallacy. :P -- Ubuntu-

Re: Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 35, Issue 54

On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 09:07 -0400, Daniel Robitaille wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Jan Claeys wrote: > > Op maandag 26-10-2009 om 14:36 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef George > > Farris: > >> Oh right and also http://www.cbc.ca/video none of them play in > >> Firefox. > >> > >> If anyon

Re: [thanks!]Re: Apache Maven to be removed from Karmic?

Alvin Thompson [2009-10-27 10:36 -0400]: > I'd just like to publicly thank whoever was responsible for getting > Maven up to snuff in time for this release. That was Matthias Klose. Kudos for your hard last-minute work! For the record, some plugins are still missing, but these will be provided i

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I completely disagree. There's no theoretical reason why a computer >> program couldn't do any of the above. > > We are discussing practice, not theory. In theory, there isn't any > difference between the two. But in practice... > > >>"Professionals" are primarily require

[thanks!]Re: Apache Maven to be removed from Karmic?

I'd just like to publicly thank whoever was responsible for getting Maven up to snuff in time for this release. There were a lot of interwoven build issues involved and I didn't think it had a chance of being fixed on time, but somehow he/she/they got it done. Since I really don't like having

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Dotan Cohen wrote: >> You keep missing the main point. which is not whether or not people >> without knowledge _should_ be running servers, but that they _are_, will >> continue to be whether or not we support them, and can't be prevented >> from doing so. All of your arguments against providing t

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Christopher Chan wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: >> >>> Derek Broughton wrote: >>> I don't follow why you would think an X server on Windows is required. >>> Easy. Remote desktop for remote administration. Of course, I do not >>> neces

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Here is a great example of people administering things that they shouldn't: http://thedailywtf.com/Comments/PHP-has-an-eval-function-like-perl.aspx -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify s

Re: Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 35, Issue 54

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Jan Claeys wrote: > Op maandag 26-10-2009 om 14:36 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef George > Farris: >> Oh right and also http://www.cbc.ca/video none of them play in >> Firefox. >> >> If anyone knows how to debug this stuff I'd love to try, but really it >> works wi

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

> Can you explain how the system becomes inflexible by adding a GUI tool? > I am not the OP, but I think that I can answer. The opposition is not opposion to GUI tools. The opposition is to tools that help untrained minions to feel like they are administrating a server. The term GUI was used becau

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

> The software that brain surgeons use is highly graphical. > > > If it was text-only, it would be much less effective, and brain surgeons > would therefore be less trustworthy, not more. It is not the difficulty > o

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

> You keep missing the main point. which is not whether or not people without > knowledge _should_ be running servers, but that they _are_, will continue to > be whether or not we support them, and can't be prevented from doing so. > All of your arguments against providing the tools to support them

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

> I completely disagree.  There's no theoretical reason why a computer program > couldn't do any of the above. We are discussing practice, not theory. In theory, there isn't any difference between the two. But in practice... > "Professionals" are primarily required to > protect professionals' jo

Re: Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 35, Issue 54

> Op maandag 26-10-2009 om 14:36 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef George > Farris: > > Oh right and also http://www.cbc.ca/video none of them play in > > Firefox. > > > > If anyone knows how to debug this stuff I'd love to try, but really it > > works with Firefox on Windows and Mac but not Linux, F