[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2008-02-29 Thread Colin Watson
Right, I'd forgotten about this particular bug report (there were others ...). This has indeed been fixed as Charles describes. gfxboot-theme-ubuntu (0.5.3) hardy; urgency=low * Rename "Start or install $PROJECT" to "Try $PROJECT without any change to your computer"; "Install in text mode"

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2008-02-24 Thread Charles
In Hardy Alpha 5 I see there is an option to try ubuntu without changing your computer, and an option to Install, which are essentially the same except Install auto-launches the Install application. This seems like the optimal solution that was discussed. Is it time to mark this as Fix Committed?

Re: [Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-09-04 Thread candtalan
ChrisKelley wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > I like the words test drive. > > Something that wouldn't scare me so much to "try" would be a menu like: > > Ubuntu > - Test Drive Ubuntu (without any change to your computer) > - Install Ubuntu > - [other options] > - [...] > > That's something I would try

Re: [Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-09-04 Thread ChrisKelley
Hi Matthew, I like the words test drive. Something that wouldn't scare me so much to "try" would be a menu like: Ubuntu - Test Drive Ubuntu (without any change to your computer) - Install Ubuntu - [other options] - [...] That's something I would try at my desk without fear of harming my fragile

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-09-03 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
I didn't know there were many distributions with non-installable live CDs. In that case, I suggest "Test-drive or install Ubuntu". While this follows the same pattern as the original text, "test-drive" is more explicit than "start". (Along the same lines, I also suggest changing the CD packaging so

Re: [Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-09-03 Thread ChrisKelley
How about the concept of seeking out windows computer users at a campus and simply asking them their thoughts? When I recently chose kubuntu, it was after seeking out a change from windows. If I had stumbled upon ubuntu on my own before I was motivated and wanting to switch, none of what I read her

Re: [Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-09-03 Thread BUGabundo
On Monday 03 September 2007 13:49:57 Matt Zimmerman wrote: > This is especially confusing as there are many Linux distributions which > have a separate CD for "starting" (live operation) and "installing". > -- > - mdz Even Ubuntu worked like that for a while. But the more recent versions only us

Re: [Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-09-03 Thread candtalan
Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 07:34:18AM -, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: >> If I did originally recommend that text, I apologize, and offer it as an >> example of the importance of usability testing. >> >> I agree with trying "Start Ubuntu" instead. That has the possible >> pro

Re: [Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-09-03 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 12:32:01PM -, Warbo wrote: > What I mean is, anyone wanting to install Ubuntu would not be put off by > an option saying "Start Ubuntu", either because they know about Ubuntu > and therefore its installation-from-live-cd feature, or they don't know > about Ubuntu and wou

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-09-03 Thread Warbo
Just something I've noticed, the idea of "installation" is actually an assumption. There is nothing to say that Ubuntu *must* be "installed", therefore people looking for an install option are applying experience with different systems to Ubuntu, which may not be applicable. What I mean is, anyone

Re: [Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-09-03 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 07:34:18AM -, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > If I did originally recommend that text, I apologize, and offer it as an > example of the importance of usability testing. > > I agree with trying "Start Ubuntu" instead. That has the possible > problems that (1) it may lead pe

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-09-03 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
If I did originally recommend that text, I apologize, and offer it as an example of the importance of usability testing. I agree with trying "Start Ubuntu" instead. That has the possible problems that (1) it may lead people who fear installation to choose "Start Ubuntu in safe graphics mode" inste

Re: [Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-08-20 Thread Mike Feravolo
Hello: Sounds Good to me ! Mike Feravolo -Original Message- >From: RobertSolfrid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Aug 19, 2007 11:10 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new >users > >Ho

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-08-20 Thread Matt Zimmerman
mpt, I think you originally recommended this text. Do you have a further opinion on whether it needs revision? -- Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/109064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-08-19 Thread RobertSolfrid
How about something really simple... 1. Run Ubuntu from CD 2. Install Ubuntu to Hard Drive or to be even more clear... 1. Run Ubuntu from CD (does not touch hard drive) 2. Install Ubuntu to Hard Drive simple, straight forward, and not at all confusing. -- Boot-up option 'Start or install Ub

Re: [Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-08-09 Thread candtalan
Mike Feravolo wrote: > Hello: > > It's a great idea to use the "Live-CD" as a method of promoting Ubuntu > to users of other operating systems. > > Why does the "Live-CD" have any questions at all and just boot up into > the Ubuntu Desktop and then be done with it. > > An Icon on the Desktop tha

Re: [Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-08-08 Thread Mike Feravolo
Hello: It's a great idea to use the "Live-CD" as a method of promoting Ubuntu to users of other operating systems. Why does the "Live-CD" have any questions at all and just boot up into the Ubuntu Desktop and then be done with it. An Icon on the Desktop that says something like "Install Ubuntu N

Re: [Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-08-08 Thread candtalan
Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 11:25:57AM -, candtalan wrote: >> Matt Zimmerman wrote: >> > On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 09:51:25AM -, Colin Watson wrote: >> >> I think I agree with this, and I feel the best option is probably to >> >> remove "or install". We originally used the

Re: [Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-08-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 11:25:57AM -, candtalan wrote: > Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 09:51:25AM -, Colin Watson wrote: > >> I think I agree with this, and I feel the best option is probably to > >> remove "or install". We originally used the "Start or install Ubuntu" >

Re: [Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-08-08 Thread candtalan
Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 09:51:25AM -, Colin Watson wrote: >> I think I agree with this, and I feel the best option is probably to >> remove "or install". We originally used the "Start or install Ubuntu" >> text because we wanted to emphasise that the live CD would let yo

Re: [Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-08-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 09:51:25AM -, Colin Watson wrote: > I think I agree with this, and I feel the best option is probably to > remove "or install". We originally used the "Start or install Ubuntu" > text because we wanted to emphasise that the live CD would let you do an > installation too,

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-08-08 Thread Colin Watson
I think I agree with this, and I feel the best option is probably to remove "or install". We originally used the "Start or install Ubuntu" text because we wanted to emphasise that the live CD would let you do an installation too, but this may not be as necessary now as it was in Dapper. I'm going

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-08-08 Thread Colin Watson
I'm moving this to the ubuntu-cdimage project and rejecting the tasks on casper and ubuntu-meta, neither of which controls this text. ** Also affects: ubuntu-cdimage (upstream) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: casper (Ubuntu Gutsy) Status: Confirmed => Invalid **

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-07-28 Thread Loye Young
I agree that wording should be changed. IMHO, a sentence or three of explanation is good in this context. Programmers are accustomed to writing tersely, but non-technical folks need more coaching. Here's a suggestion: "Option 1 starts Ubuntu without changing your system in any way. If you decide

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-07-28 Thread ChrisKelley
imho, preview ubuntu as a first choice. Would be great if another was "install ubuntu" OR do like the kubuntu cd, where the installer is on the desktop of the live cd... :) This is kinda weird, but I like the kubuntu install better. Feels better than the ubuntu gutsy i've been doing over and over

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-07-27 Thread Spenser Gilliland
What about "Launch Ubuntu"? It gives the impression that they are launching a program and reduces the illusion of risk? Everyone launches a program every day. It would be more friendly, plus were going along with the whole launchpad moniker. Lol. What about "Use Ubuntu"? What about "Preview U

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-07-15 Thread Mike Feravolo
Giving this a bit more thought; I think that "Start Ubuntu" is still too ambiguous and could scary people off. The whole idea of giving away disks as a method of promoting Ubuntu is to get people to try it. Then just say "Try Ubuntu" if that is what you want them to do. As far as looking "Commerc

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-07-14 Thread Brian Rogers
I agree with being short and to the point, but 'Try Ubuntu' sounds kind of commercial, like it's shareware. How about simply 'Start Ubuntu'? Users will see the install option once it's booted. -- Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/109064 You

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-07-14 Thread Mike Feravolo
How about something short and to the point like: "Try Ubuntu" Mike Feravolo -- Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/109064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. --

Re: [Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-07-12 Thread candtalan
Charles wrote: > While "Start the Ubuntu LiveCD" and "Start in Live mode, without > affecting your Hard Disk" both would probably scare a user less, now > neither of those options say anything about installing. If I boot from > an OS CD and none of the options are "Install", I think I am going to b

Re: [Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-07-12 Thread candtalan
Charles wrote: > While "Start the Ubuntu LiveCD" and "Start in Live mode, without > affecting your Hard Disk" both would probably scare a user less, now > neither of those options say anything about installing. If I boot from > an OS CD and none of the options are "Install", I think I am going to b

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-07-12 Thread Charles
While "Start the Ubuntu LiveCD" and "Start in Live mode, without affecting your Hard Disk" both would probably scare a user less, now neither of those options say anything about installing. If I boot from an OS CD and none of the options are "Install", I think I am going to be a little confused. I

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-06-21 Thread LTSmash
Ok, I believe the same. Why dont we just add some kind of "Note" where it explains that the CD is actually a Live-CD and it won't write to the disk unless its asked to do so? Anyway, the MKT team should arrange this... -- Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users https://bugs.laun

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-06-20 Thread Brian Murray
** Changed in: casper (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: ubuntu-meta => casper Importance: Undecided => Medium -- Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/109064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the b

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-04-30 Thread Mike Feravolo
The easiest way to address this is to use an iso editor and change the text in the file: isolinux.cfg before buring your own CD's. Of course this is also the place it would need to be changed officially. I have a short explaination of how to do this on both my Ubuntu Wiki page: MikeFeravolo and on

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-04-24 Thread ElementC
This bug has lost potential users before my own eyes. Confirmed. -- Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/109064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs ma

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-04-23 Thread ElementC
** Changed in: ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) Status: Unconfirmed => Confirmed -- Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/109064 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubu

Re: [Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-04-23 Thread candtalan
Phil Bull wrote: > Bugs aren't just about 'programming' issues, they're a way of tracking > problems with the distribution, whatever the problem may be. It's common > practice to file bugs against translations, documentation and other > assets (such as the Ubuntu website) for example. If you find a

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-04-23 Thread Phil Bull
Bugs aren't just about 'programming' issues, they're a way of tracking problems with the distribution, whatever the problem may be. It's common practice to file bugs against translations, documentation and other assets (such as the Ubuntu website) for example. If you find a problem with Ubuntu, ple

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-04-23 Thread Mike Feravolo
After giving the Ubuntu Disks to people in the Cocoa Beach, Melbourne and Orlando Florida Areas. A few people got back to me and said that they were afraid that to use the disk, because it may destroy everything on their computer. So I decided to see what the other other people on the marketing tea

[Bug 109064] Re: Boot-up option 'Start or install Ubuntu' scares new users

2007-04-22 Thread ElementC
I would confirm, but it doesn't feel right because I'm such a new bugswatter. However, that particular string does annoy me a lot. A good alternative would be "Start the Ubuntu LiveCD" or "Start in Live mode, without affecting your Hard Disk." It's a little wordy, but at least that string is a litt