Dear Sean,
In message <43880bf0-baa6-0cb2-80fe-0fe50d43b...@gmail.com> you wrote:
>
> > Tcl is a horror of a language for anything that is above trivial
> > level.
>
> Can you please elaborate on this? You've made this claim several times,
> but haven't explained your reasoning for it.
A long, lo
On Thu, Jul 08, 2021 at 07:19:05AM +0200, Michael Nazzareno Trimarchi wrote:
> Hi
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 4:48 PM Marek Behun wrote:
> >
> > Dear Tom, Sean, Wolfgang and others,
> >
> > here are some of my opinions for this discussion
> >
> > - I agree with Wolfgang that there are far better o
Hi
On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 4:48 PM Marek Behun wrote:
>
> Dear Tom, Sean, Wolfgang and others,
>
> here are some of my opinions for this discussion
>
> - I agree with Wolfgang that there are far better options than
> a Tcl-like shell, if we want to add another language
>
> - I also think that in
On 7/6/21 3:44 AM, Wolfgang Denk wrote:
Dear Tom,
In message <20210705191058.GB9516@bill-the-cat> you wrote:
This is I think the hard question. A draw of the current shell is that
it it looks and acts like bash/sh/etc, for at least basic operations.
That's something that's comfortable to a lar
Dear Tom, Sean, Wolfgang and others,
here are some of my opinions for this discussion
- I agree with Wolfgang that there are far better options than
a Tcl-like shell, if we want to add another language
- I also think that instead of adding another language, it is more
preferable to improve t
Dear Tom,
In message <20210707141418.GZ9516@bill-the-cat> you wrote:
>
> Have you validated one of those exceedingly complex boot scripts with a
> modern hush (and some fakery for u-boot commands) ? No.
No, I havent.
I also don't claim that I know all the warts and issues with our old
hus, but
On Wed, Jul 07, 2021 at 04:10:43PM +0200, Wolfgang Denk wrote:
> Dear Tom,
>
> In message <20210707135839.GW9516@bill-the-cat> you wrote:
> >
> > As I've said a few times in this thread, this not being an sh-style
> > interpreter is a strike against it. And if we're going to insist on a
> > bug-
Dear Tom,
In message <20210707135839.GW9516@bill-the-cat> you wrote:
>
> As I've said a few times in this thread, this not being an sh-style
> interpreter is a strike against it. And if we're going to insist on a
> bug-for-bug upgrade to our hush (so that all of the hugely complex
> existing scr
On Wed, Jul 07, 2021 at 10:15:34AM +0200, Wolfgang Denk wrote:
> Dear Tom,
>
> In message <20210706154346.GT9516@bill-the-cat> you wrote:
> >
> > I'm pretty confident that exactly zero people have written complex
> > U-Boot scripts and then been happy about the experience.
>
> I have seen many U
On Wed, Jul 07, 2021 at 10:15:32AM +0200, Wolfgang Denk wrote:
> Dear Tom,
>
> In message <20210706145420.GQ9516@bill-the-cat> you wrote:
> >
> > > Updating to a current version would fix this, in an almost 100%
> > > backward compatible way.
> >
> > Let us cut to the chase then. Who is going to
On Wed, Jul 07, 2021 at 09:46:20AM -0400, Sean Anderson wrote:
>
> On 7/7/21 4:15 AM, Wolfgang Denk wrote:
> > Dear Tom,
> >
> > In message <20210706154346.GT9516@bill-the-cat> you wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm pretty confident that exactly zero people have written complex
> > > U-Boot scripts and then
On 7/7/21 4:15 AM, Wolfgang Denk wrote:
Dear Tom,
In message <20210706154346.GT9516@bill-the-cat> you wrote:
I'm pretty confident that exactly zero people have written complex
U-Boot scripts and then been happy about the experience.
I have seen many U-Boot scripts which were pretty complex
On 7/6/21 12:09 PM, Kostas Michalopoulos wrote:
On 7/6/2021 6:43 PM, Tom Rini wrote:
I don't know if it's right either. But drawing on my comment just now
and above about complex boot scripts, I also don't know if "it's sh but
quirky and incomplete, WHY DOESN'T THIS WORK RIGHT" is better than "
Hi
On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 4:57 PM Simon Glass wrote:
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 at 01:53, Michael Nazzareno Trimarchi
> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 9:46 AM Wolfgang Denk wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Sean,
> > >
> > > In message you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >>> foo() {
Dear Tom,
In message <20210706154346.GT9516@bill-the-cat> you wrote:
>
> I'm pretty confident that exactly zero people have written complex
> U-Boot scripts and then been happy about the experience.
I have seen many U-Boot scripts which were pretty complex, but
working absolutely reliably.
> TC
Dear Tom,
In message <20210706145420.GQ9516@bill-the-cat> you wrote:
>
> > Updating to a current version would fix this, in an almost 100%
> > backward compatible way.
>
> Let us cut to the chase then. Who is going to port a modern version of
> hush over to U-Boot, and maintain it? If we fork a
On 7/6/2021 6:43 PM, Tom Rini wrote:
I don't know if it's right either. But drawing on my comment just now
and above about complex boot scripts, I also don't know if "it's sh but
quirky and incomplete, WHY DOESN'T THIS WORK RIGHT" is better than "It's
TCL? I don't know that, let me hit stackove
On Tue, Jul 06, 2021 at 08:57:23AM -0600, Simon Glass wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 at 01:53, Michael Nazzareno Trimarchi
> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 9:46 AM Wolfgang Denk wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Sean,
> > >
> > > In message you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >>> foo() {
On Tue, Jul 06, 2021 at 09:44:20AM +0200, Wolfgang Denk wrote:
> Dear Tom,
>
> In message <20210705191058.GB9516@bill-the-cat> you wrote:
> >
> > > > foo=bar set foo bar
> > > > echo $foo echo $foo
> > > >
> > > > if [ 1 -gt 2 ]; thenif {1
Hi Michael,
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 at 01:53, Michael Nazzareno Trimarchi
wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 9:46 AM Wolfgang Denk wrote:
> >
> > Dear Sean,
> >
> > In message you wrote:
> > >
> > > >>> foo() { proc foo {first second} {
> > > >>> echo $1 $2
On Tue, Jul 06, 2021 at 09:46:43AM +0200, Wolfgang Denk wrote:
> Dear Sean,
>
> In message you wrote:
> >
> > >>> foo() { proc foo {first second} {
> > >>> echo $1 $2 echo $first $second
> > >>> } }
> >
> > This is
On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 9:46 AM Wolfgang Denk wrote:
>
> Dear Sean,
>
> In message you wrote:
> >
> > >>> foo() { proc foo {first second} {
> > >>> echo $1 $2 echo $first $second
> > >>> } }
> >
> > This is not possible. We o
Dear Sean,
In message you wrote:
>
> >>> foo() { proc foo {first second} {
> >>> echo $1 $2 echo $first $second
> >>> } }
>
> This is not possible. We only have eval (run) as of today. I view adding
> functions as one of the
Dear Tom,
In message <20210705191058.GB9516@bill-the-cat> you wrote:
>
> > > foo=bar set foo bar
> > > echo $foo echo $foo
> > >
> > > if [ 1 -gt 2 ]; then if {1 > 2} {
> > > echo a echo a
> > > else
On 7/5/21 3:53 PM, Tom Rini wrote:
On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 03:47:47PM -0400, Sean Anderson wrote:
On 7/5/21 3:10 PM, Tom Rini wrote:
On Sat, Jul 03, 2021 at 09:33:30PM +0200, Wolfgang Denk wrote:
Dear Sean,
In message <8bbdb7a1-5085-a3b7-614f-12ae9aee8...@gmail.com> you wrote:
For a partia
On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 03:47:47PM -0400, Sean Anderson wrote:
> On 7/5/21 3:10 PM, Tom Rini wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 03, 2021 at 09:33:30PM +0200, Wolfgang Denk wrote:
> > > Dear Sean,
> > >
> > > In message <8bbdb7a1-5085-a3b7-614f-12ae9aee8...@gmail.com> you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > For a partia
On 7/5/21 3:10 PM, Tom Rini wrote:
On Sat, Jul 03, 2021 at 09:33:30PM +0200, Wolfgang Denk wrote:
Dear Sean,
In message <8bbdb7a1-5085-a3b7-614f-12ae9aee8...@gmail.com> you wrote:
For a partial list, see
[1] https://github.com/Forty-Bot/lil/commits/master
Whoops, looks like I completely m
On Sat, Jul 03, 2021 at 09:33:30PM +0200, Wolfgang Denk wrote:
> Dear Sean,
>
> In message <8bbdb7a1-5085-a3b7-614f-12ae9aee8...@gmail.com> you wrote:
> >
> > > For a partial list, see
> > >
> > > [1] https://github.com/Forty-Bot/lil/commits/master
> >
> > Whoops, looks like I completely misread
Hi,
On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 at 13:33, Wolfgang Denk wrote:
>
> Dear Sean,
>
> In message <8bbdb7a1-5085-a3b7-614f-12ae9aee8...@gmail.com> you wrote:
> >
> > > For a partial list, see
> > >
> > > [1] https://github.com/Forty-Bot/lil/commits/master
> >
> > Whoops, looks like I completely misread what yo
Dear Sean,
In message <8bbdb7a1-5085-a3b7-614f-12ae9aee8...@gmail.com> you wrote:
>
> > For a partial list, see
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/Forty-Bot/lil/commits/master
>
> Whoops, looks like I completely misread what you were asking here. I
> don't have an exhaustive list of differences, but
Dear Sean,
In message you wrote:
> >
> > Do you have a list of the exact differencec between LIL and a
> > standard shell?
>
> For a partial list, see
>
> [1] https://github.com/Forty-Bot/lil/commits/master
Hm, this list of commits is not exactly helpful, I'm afraid.
Where _exactly_ should I l
On 7/2/21 9:33 AM, Sean Anderson wrote:
On 7/2/21 7:03 AM, Wolfgang Denk wrote:
Dear Sean,
In message <20210701061611.957918-3-sean...@gmail.com> you wrote:
This is the LIL programming language [1] as originally written by Kostas
Michalopoulos . LIL is a stripped-down TCL
variant. Many syntax
On 7/2/21 7:03 AM, Wolfgang Denk wrote:
Dear Sean,
In message <20210701061611.957918-3-sean...@gmail.com> you wrote:
This is the LIL programming language [1] as originally written by Kostas
Michalopoulos . LIL is a stripped-down TCL
variant. Many syntax features are very similar to shell:
Do
Dear Sean,
In message <20210701061611.957918-3-sean...@gmail.com> you wrote:
> This is the LIL programming language [1] as originally written by Kostas
> Michalopoulos . LIL is a stripped-down TCL
> variant. Many syntax features are very similar to shell:
Do you have a list of the exact differenc
This is the LIL programming language [1] as originally written by Kostas
Michalopoulos . LIL is a stripped-down TCL
variant. Many syntax features are very similar to shell:
=> echo Hello from $stdout
Hello from serial,vidconsole
LIL supports functions, scoped variables, and comman
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