Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-12-03 Thread grarpamp
> On the other hand the "protocol audit" mess is even worse. This 'mess' doesn't seem to have anything to do with Tor, nor is it Torproject's responsibility to do any such audit on any app other than Tor itself, or by extension those it maintains or chooses to partner with. As said before, torsoc

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-12-03 Thread Julian Yon
On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:58:10 + adrelanos wrote: > I think if a Tor library and instructions how to design a protocol > and/or application Tor-safe from scratch would have been created in > past, we wouldn't have this "protocol review" mess now. Yeah, until somebody links with your Tor librar

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-12-03 Thread adrelanos
grarpamp: >> I think instead of inventing torsocks it would have been much >> better if there was a Tor connection library and applications >> could easily use it. > > Preload (as in torsocks) was invented to hook the network system > calls for apps where there was no socks5 support. Expecting an

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-12-03 Thread grarpamp
> I think instead of inventing torsocks it would have been much better if > there was a Tor connection library and applications could easily use it. Preload (as in torsocks) was invented to hook the network system calls for apps where there was no socks5 support. Expecting an app developer to code

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-12-02 Thread s
i agree with adrelanos i use tor manly to run a bridge and a relay at my work {we set up a server for that} but i find it difficult to Macaulay go into sock but on the occasion i use it which is rare besides to connect to an employe computer but if we had a library of tor connection optioned w

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-12-02 Thread adrelanos
Matthew Finkel: > On 12/01/2012 06:14 PM, John Case wrote: >> >> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012, grarpamp wrote: >> > I don't agree. torsocks is still useful to prevent identity correlation > through circuit sharing. Pushing all traffic through Trans- and DnsPort > is not the answer. Also

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-12-01 Thread Matthew Finkel
On 12/01/2012 06:14 PM, John Case wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2012, grarpamp wrote: > I don't agree. torsocks is still useful to prevent identity correlation through circuit sharing. Pushing all traffic through Trans- and DnsPort is not the answer. >>> >>> Also, I don't want all of my

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-12-01 Thread Ted Smith
On Sat, 2012-12-01 at 23:14 +, John Case wrote: > On Fri, 2 Nov 2012, grarpamp wrote: > > >>> I don't agree. torsocks is still useful to prevent identity correlation > >>> through circuit sharing. Pushing all traffic through Trans- and DnsPort > >>> is not the answer. > >> > >> Also, I don't w

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-12-01 Thread Softail
I wanted this too. According to the documentation (ssh_config) you can use the ProxyCommand option and nc (netcat) to accomplish this. I haven't really used it yet though or audited it to make sure it doesn't leak. On 12/1/2012 15:14, John Case wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2012, grarpamp wrote: >

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-12-01 Thread John Case
On Fri, 2 Nov 2012, grarpamp wrote: I don't agree. torsocks is still useful to prevent identity correlation through circuit sharing. Pushing all traffic through Trans- and DnsPort is not the answer. Also, I don't want all of my applications using Tor -- just some of them. Using Tails or Trans

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-07 Thread adrelanos
Maybe a bit late, but what about proxychains? https://sourceforge.net/projects/proxychains/forums/forum/644747 https://sourceforge.net/projects/proxychains/ https://github.com/rofl0r/proxychains Looks a bit better maintained. Haven't found a big issue tracker, doesn't mean there aren't many (more

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-05 Thread intrigeri
Hi, Jacob Appelbaum wrote (03 Nov 2012 11:17:05 GMT) : > Can you give me a list of things that matter most to you in order of > your priority? The bug list is mighty long... Sure, here's my top six. From highest priority to lowest. Most issues have patches attached. I'll refer to the Debian pack

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-04 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
intrigeri: > Hi, > > Maxim Kammerer wrote (03 Nov 2012 12:16:23 GMT) : >> inb4 incoming stream of Debian-centric patches: please be wary of >> glibc differences: >> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=395953 > >> Wrt. this specific bug, perhaps you will want to use Anthony Basile's >> solutio

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-04 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Nick Mathewson: > On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Matthew Finkel > wrote: > >> On 11/03/2012 08:38 PM, Nick Mathewson wrote: >> > [...] > >>> Okay, sounds like we've got some enthusiasm. Let's get started. I >>> volunteer to review commits and if people ask me to, and suggest that >>> asking

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-04 Thread intrigeri
Hi, Maxim Kammerer wrote (03 Nov 2012 12:16:23 GMT) : > inb4 incoming stream of Debian-centric patches: please be wary of > glibc differences: > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=395953 > Wrt. this specific bug, perhaps you will want to use Anthony Basile's > solution instead of the patch i

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-03 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Matthew Finkel wrote: > On 11/03/2012 08:38 PM, Nick Mathewson wrote: > [...] > > Okay, sounds like we've got some enthusiasm. Let's get started. I > > volunteer to review commits and if people ask me to, and suggest that > > asking me to review stuff for a whi

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-03 Thread Matthew Finkel
On 11/03/2012 08:38 PM, Nick Mathewson wrote: > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Matthew Finkel > wrote: > >> On 11/02/2012 07:36 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: >>> Nick Mathewson: On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:34 PM, adrelanos wrote: > > > Could you blog it please? I'd li

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-03 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Matthew Finkel wrote: > On 11/02/2012 07:36 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > > Nick Mathewson: > >> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:34 PM, adrelanos wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Could you blog it please? > >> > >> > >> I'd like to see more discussion from more people here first,

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-03 Thread grarpamp
>> Can you give me a list of things that matter most to you in order of >> your priority? The bug list is mighty long... > > inb4 incoming stream of Debian-centric patches: please be wary of > glibc differences: And wary that Linux/GNU mod Debian is not the only OS that has current users. The BSD'

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-03 Thread adrelanos
Matthew Finkel: > On 11/02/2012 07:36 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: >> Nick Mathewson: >>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:34 PM, adrelanos wrote: Could you blog it please? >>> >>> >>> I'd like to see more discussion from more people here first, and see >>> whether somebody steps up to say, "

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-03 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > Can you give me a list of things that matter most to you in order of > your priority? The bug list is mighty long... inb4 incoming stream of Debian-centric patches: please be wary of glibc differences: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?i

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-03 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
intrigeri: > Hi, > > Matthew Finkel wrote (03 Nov 2012 03:10:53 GMT) : >> On 11/02/2012 07:36 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > >>> If Robert wants someone to maintain it, I'd be happy to do so. > >> I saw this thread earlier but didn't have a chance to reply. I was >> thinking about volunteering to

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-03 Thread intrigeri
Hi, Matthew Finkel wrote (03 Nov 2012 03:10:53 GMT) : > On 11/02/2012 07:36 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: >> If Robert wants someone to maintain it, I'd be happy to do so. > I saw this thread earlier but didn't have a chance to reply. I was > thinking about volunteering to patch it up and maintain

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-02 Thread Matthew Finkel
On 11/02/2012 07:36 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > Nick Mathewson: >> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:34 PM, adrelanos wrote: >>> >>> >>> Could you blog it please? >> >> >> I'd like to see more discussion from more people here first, and see >> whether somebody steps up to say, "Yeah, I can maintain that"

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-02 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Nick Mathewson: > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:34 PM, adrelanos wrote: >> >> >> Could you blog it please? > > > I'd like to see more discussion from more people here first, and see > whether somebody steps up to say, "Yeah, I can maintain that" here, or > whether somebody else who knows more than me

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-02 Thread Ted Smith
On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 18:12 -0400, grarpamp wrote: > >> I don't agree. torsocks is still useful to prevent identity correlation > >> through circuit sharing. Pushing all traffic through Trans- and DnsPort > >> is not the answer. > > > > Also, I don't want all of my applications using Tor -- just so

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-02 Thread grarpamp
>> I don't agree. torsocks is still useful to prevent identity correlation >> through circuit sharing. Pushing all traffic through Trans- and DnsPort >> is not the answer. > > Also, I don't want all of my applications using Tor -- just some of > them. Using Tails or TransPort wouldn't allow me to d

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-02 Thread Ted Smith
On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 19:49 +, adrelanos wrote: > grarpamp: > >> I'd like to see more discussion from more people here first, and see > >> whether somebody steps up to say, "Yeah, I can maintain that" here, or > >> whether somebody else who knows more than me about the issues has something > >>

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-02 Thread adrelanos
grarpamp: >> I'd like to see more discussion from more people here first, and see >> whether somebody steps up to say, "Yeah, I can maintain that" here, or >> whether somebody else who knows more than me about the issues has something >> to say. Otherwise I don't know whether to write a "looking f

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-02 Thread grarpamp
> I'd like to see more discussion from more people here first, and see > whether somebody steps up to say, "Yeah, I can maintain that" here, or > whether somebody else who knows more than me about the issues has something > to say. Otherwise I don't know whether to write a "looking for maintainer"

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-02 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:34 PM, adrelanos wrote: > > > Could you blog it please? I'd like to see more discussion from more people here first, and see whether somebody steps up to say, "Yeah, I can maintain that" here, or whether somebody else who knows more than me about the issues has something

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-02 Thread adrelanos
Ted Smith: > On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 13:09 -0400, Nick Mathewson wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:02 PM, adrelanos wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> [ >> >> >> [...] >> >>> What are the consequences? >>> >> >> Probably somebody should fork it? >> > > I consider myself someone moderately familiar with the Tor

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-02 Thread adrelanos
Nick Mathewson: > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:02 PM, adrelanos wrote: > >> Hi, >> [ > > > [...] > >> What are the consequences? >> > > Probably somebody should fork it? > Could you blog it please? ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.o

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-02 Thread Ted Smith
On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 13:09 -0400, Nick Mathewson wrote: > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:02 PM, adrelanos wrote: > > > Hi, > > [ > > > [...] > > > What are the consequences? > > > > Probably somebody should fork it? > I consider myself someone moderately familiar with the Tor culture. However,

Re: [tor-talk] torsocks is broken and unmaintained

2012-11-02 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:02 PM, adrelanos wrote: > Hi, > [ [...] > What are the consequences? > Probably somebody should fork it? -- Nick ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo