Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-10-01 Thread Andy Isaacson
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 09:07:14PM +0300, J.C. wrote: > Another amateur relay operator here, i run the node "namelesshero" > and I sure hope however this cost reimbursing plan eventually pans > out, it won't discourage small folk like us from running relays. I, > too, believe the exact opposite is

Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-21 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 09/21/2013 01:48 PM, t...@t-3.net wrote: > - If authorities can ever build a case where Tor can be accused of being > a dirty little network which hosts criminal content and profits from it, > it seems that it could be fucked. That's exactly why we encourage exit operators to defend the right f

Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-21 Thread tor
On Friday 20/09/2013 at 6:37 am, Moritz Bartl wrote: I don't think exit relay operators are in a position to have anonymity in the first place. It is fine if you manage to pay for and run your relay anonymously, but I doubt it will survive more than a few LEA inquiries where they end up wit

Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-20 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 09/19/2013 12:06 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote: >> The Wau Holland Foundation can currently only >> reimburse via wire transfer. >> This seems to be end-of-story in terms of who, in the end, is >> ultimately getting liability/risk, and points to practically no >> chance at anonymity I don't think

Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-18 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:29:26 -0400 t...@t-3.net wrote: > In the context of September 2013, this whole thing is scary. It was > perhaps not scary in September of 2012, when we didn't know anything. Just a point that many in the tech community knew what was happening, at some level, for the past d

Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-18 Thread Gordon Morehouse
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:10:25 -0400, t...@t-3.net wrote: > The OP I saw said: > > The Wau Holland Foundation can currently only > reimburse via wire transfer. > > This seems to be end-of-story in terms of who, in the end, is > ultimately getting liability/risk, and points to practically no chan

Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-18 Thread Gordon Morehouse
While I believe you have a good point On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:29:26 -0400, t...@t-3.net wrote: > > Think bigger, say what? > > Certain of the world's biggest and most well-funded intelligence > agencies hate personal privacy on the internet so much that they've > been going to extreme effo

Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-18 Thread tor
Think bigger, say what? Certain of the world's biggest and most well-funded intelligence agencies hate personal privacy on the internet so much that they've been going to extreme efforts to destroy it. They are packet sniffing the NAPs and fiber backbones to pull out everything they can, they

Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-18 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 08:10:25AM -0400, t...@t-3.net wrote: > The Wau Holland Foundation can currently only > reimburse via wire transfer. > > This seems to be end-of-story in terms of who, in the end, is > ultimately getting liability/risk, and points to practically no > chance at anonymity Th

Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-18 Thread tor
It's a little old. Posted July 24, 2012 We knew a lot less on that date. On Wednesday 18/09/2013 at 3:08 pm, Andrew Lewman wrote: On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:36:39 -0400 Rick wrote: Nope, I don't think so. Perhaps it's the timing. In this post-Snowden period most everything is a little bit

Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-18 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:36:39 -0400 Rick wrote: > Nope, I don't think so. Perhaps it's the timing. In this post-Snowden > period most everything is a little bit creepy. There's plenty of FUD > to go around. A position paper from Torproject on this and other > recent issues would be handy about no

Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-18 Thread J.C.
Another amateur relay operator here, i run the node "namelesshero" and I sure hope however this cost reimbursing plan eventually pans out, it won't discourage small folk like us from running relays. I, too, believe the exact opposite is desirable instead. I'll admit i'm not quite sure if i unde

Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-18 Thread Rick
On 09/18/2013 07:31 AM, Tom Ritter wrote: On Sep 18, 2013 7:11 AM, mailto:t...@t-3.net>> wrote: > > I wonder if I am the only one who finds this creepy... Nope, I don't think so. Perhaps it's the timing. In this post-Snowden period most everything is a little bit creepy. There's plenty of

Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-18 Thread Tom Ritter
On 18 September 2013 08:10, wrote: > The OP I saw said: > > The Wau Holland Foundation can currently only > reimburse via wire transfer. > > This seems to be end-of-story in terms of who, in the end, is ultimately > getting liability/risk, and points to practically no chance at anonymity > within

Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-18 Thread tor
The OP I saw said: The Wau Holland Foundation can currently only reimburse via wire transfer. This seems to be end-of-story in terms of who, in the end, is ultimately getting liability/risk, and points to practically no chance at anonymity within our currently hacked banking system. It's not

Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-18 Thread Tom Ritter
On Sep 18, 2013 7:11 AM, wrote: > > I wonder if I am the only one who finds this creepy, in light of all of the news that has come out lately about the banking systems having been hacked, etc. This kind of thing would draw a direct line of sorts to the bank account of the person/company involved w

Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-18 Thread tor
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Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-18 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 09/18/2013 11:22 AM, Lunar wrote: > I am not sure I fully understand to what > extent it can be gamed. I'd be grateful for a summary. :) You mean a tutorial? ;-) -- Moritz Bartl https://www.torservers.net/ ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@list

Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-18 Thread Lunar
Roger Dingledine: > On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 08:27:57PM +0200, Moritz Bartl wrote: > > The recipient share is calculated from the > > throughput per relay * country factor > > It might be worthwhile to make it clearer what "throughput" is here. > > I hope it's not consensus weight, since that's n

Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-18 Thread Karsten Loesing
On 9/18/13 2:53 AM, Damian Johnson wrote: >> Unless maybe stem already does exactly this for us? > > Yup, stem parses the extrainfo descriptors... > > https://stem.torproject.org/api/descriptor/extrainfo_descriptor.html#stem.descriptor.extrainfo_descriptor.ExtraInfoDescriptor > > The only pesky

Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-17 Thread I
Isn't it reimbursement for running a relay? How much Tor uses it is not directly due to the cost. If the relay is set to be used fully as Tor might use it and is not a particularly costly server isn't it of equal value? FREE 3D MARINE A

Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-17 Thread Damian Johnson
> Unless maybe stem already does exactly this for us? Yup, stem parses the extrainfo descriptors... https://stem.torproject.org/api/descriptor/extrainfo_descriptor.html#stem.descriptor.extrainfo_descriptor.ExtraInfoDescriptor The only pesky bit is that you'll need to download a lot of descriptor

Re: [tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-17 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 08:27:57PM +0200, Moritz Bartl wrote: > The recipient share is calculated from the > throughput per relay * country factor It might be worthwhile to make it clearer what "throughput" is here. I hope it's not consensus weight, since that's not really a measure of how much

[tor-relays] Reimbursement of Exit Operators

2013-09-17 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, tl;dr: We want to start reimbursing exit operators end of this month. Partner orgs, please sign the contract! Everyone else, consider becoming a partner. --- In July last year, Roger announced that BBG was interested in funding fast exits. [1] The initial discussion on the mailing list contin