[TLS] RFC8446 backward compatibility question

2021-08-05 Thread Toerless Eckert
I am trying to figure out if every implementation compliant with RFC8446 is also necessarily interoperable with an RFC5246 peer, or if this is just a likely common, but still completely optional implementation choice. I could not find any explicit statement that backward compatibility with RFC5246

Re: [TLS] RFC8446 backward compatibility question

2021-08-05 Thread Toerless Eckert
Thanks for the explanation. My main concern was just to understand clearly what requirements have to be written into RFC when one wants to ensure that TLS 1.2 needs to be supported as the fallback in a particular solution. With TLS 1.3 not mandating support for TLS 1.2, in such cases one still n

Re: [TLS] RFC8446 backward compatibility question

2021-08-05 Thread Toerless Eckert
3:23:42PM -0700, Eric Rescorla wrote: > On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 2:37 PM Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > Thanks for the explanation. > > > > My main concern was just to understand clearly what requirements > > have to be written into RFC when one wants to ensure that TLS 1

Re: [TLS] RFC8446 backward compatibility question

2021-08-05 Thread Toerless Eckert
any better, but TLS just has the biggest interest surface so it makes most sense to encourage authors to write the most easily read text. Cheers Toerless On Thu, Aug 05, 2021 at 03:57:07PM -0700, Eric Rescorla wrote: > On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 3:52 PM Toerless Eckert wrote: > > >

Re: [TLS] RFC8446 backward compatibility question

2021-08-05 Thread Toerless Eckert
> —Richard > > On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 13:12 Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > Sure, i like playing TLS cluedo ;-) > > > > But for uneducated readers, i was thinking more about text that uplevels > > to the operational > > aspect of interoperability: > >

Re: [TLS] RFC8446 backward compatibility question

2021-08-05 Thread Toerless Eckert
s no need to explain > > when that’s the case. > > > > —Richard > > > > On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 13:12 Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > > > Sure, i like playing TLS cluedo ;-) > > > > > > But for uneducated readers, i was thinking more ab

Re: [TLS] RFC8446 backward compatibility question

2021-08-05 Thread Toerless Eckert
Whether that's > a good idea is something that the market will decide... > > -- Christian Huitema > > On 8/5/2021 5:14 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > RFC9001/4.2: > >"Clients MUST NOT offer TLS versions older than 1.3. A badly configured > > TLS im

Re: [TLS] Encrypted SNI

2017-06-02 Thread Toerless Eckert
Thanks, Benoit [hope it's ok. to cross-port and redirect replies to TLS] I have not followed TLS 1.3 in detail, so a quick question first: Will TLS 1.3 still permit servers to send their certificate and/or SNI in the clear as an option or will it force server operators to encrypt either/or ? If

Re: [TLS] Encrypted SNI

2017-06-02 Thread Toerless Eckert
On Fri, Jun 02, 2017 at 01:16:01PM +0300, Richard Barnes wrote: > Operators trying to do this by inspecting TLS (and not decrypting) are > going to have a bad time anyway. With HTTP/2 connection coalescing, even > if they can see the certificate, the actual HTTP request could be for any > name in

Re: [TLS] Encrypted SNI

2017-06-02 Thread Toerless Eckert
On Fri, Jun 02, 2017 at 08:03:40AM -0400, Ryan Sleevi wrote: > > If a web service hoster does not provide any useful demultiplexer then it > > can of course not > > expect not to get blacklisted across services. Is it not already common > > practice to assign > > separate certificates to separate "

Re: [TLS] Encrypted SNI

2017-06-06 Thread Toerless Eckert
So no options in TLS 1.3 that make it possible to see the server cert in the clear ? On Sun, Jun 04, 2017 at 03:25:46PM -0500, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > On 06/02/2017 08:28 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > Another candidate use case coming to mind eg: auditing tht is required in &g

Re: [TLS] Encrypted SNI

2017-06-06 Thread Toerless Eckert
stead of MitMing. See old > threads for more detail. > > > Dave > > > On Tuesday, June 06, 2017 08:36:38 pm Toerless Eckert wrote: > > So no options in TLS 1.3 that make it possible to see the server cert in > > the clear ? > > > > On Sun, Jun 04, 201