[TLS] a slightly different DTLSShortCiphertext

2018-03-03 Thread Fossati, Thomas (Nokia - GB/Cambridge)
Hi all, In an off-list discussion on the wire format for DTLS CID Eric raised the point that a DTLSShortCiphertext header is completely stuffed, and it'd be impossible to grab another bit from the sequence number (already down to 12 bits) to signal the presence of a CID. I made a proposal for a s

Re: [TLS] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec-chain-extension-06: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-03-03 Thread Paul Wouters
On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Shumon Huque wrote: I do not know if the draft authors and/or WG have an appetite to do the much  more major change suggested by Viktor (i.e in-protocol pinning TTL commitment and requiring subsequent denial of existence proof if DANE is removed). I think it is worth discus

Re: [TLS] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec-chain-extension-06: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-03-03 Thread Eric Rescorla
Hi folks, This is way outside the range of my DISCUSS, so maybe we should change the thread title. Paul, can you walk me through the security value of a proof of nonexistence here? Perhaps describe an attack that it stops. -Ekr On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 7:09 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Thu, 1

Re: [TLS] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-tls-dnssec-chain-extension-06: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-03-03 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
[ Not replying for Paul, I'm sure he he'll post views separately ] > On Mar 3, 2018, at 10:21 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > Paul, can you walk me through the security value of a proof of nonexistence > here? Perhaps describe an attack that it stops. My take is: Non-existence proofs can clear a