[TLS] Re: FATT process update

2024-11-07 Thread Muhammad Usama Sardar
Thank you for clearly writing down the process and continuing to improve it. I particularly like the "understood" part, which is IMO a key benefit of formal methods. Also, thanks for clearly mentioning the current members in FATT process. I do notice that current FATT is slightly different fro

[TLS] Re: FATT process update

2024-11-06 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 06/11/2024 19:00, Salz, Rich wrote: I still dislike encouraging private discussion of drafts - that's not really in the spirit of the IETF at all. While you're talking spirit versus letter of the rules, it is explicitly allowed Yes. Just to note there's also the option to have a

[TLS] Re: FATT process update

2024-11-06 Thread Salz, Rich
> I still dislike encouraging private discussion of > drafts - that's not really in the spirit of the > IETF at all. While you're talking spirit versus letter of the rules, it is explicitly allowed in RFC 2418, https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2418.html#page-19: In order for a design team to re

[TLS] Re: FATT process update

2024-11-06 Thread Rob Sayre
On Wed, Nov 6, 2024 at 10:00 AM Stephen Farrell wrote: > > The process/description is getting better thanks. > Yes, agree. > > Using the term liaison will confuse people so be > better to change that. > Yep, it's correct English/French, but it has an IETF meaning that is more specialized. But

[TLS] Re: FATT process update

2024-11-06 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 05/11/2024 15:34, Joseph Salowey wrote: There is an updated FATT available here: https://github.com/tlswg/tls-fatt This has taken a lot of the feedback we have received so far, but is still a work in progress. There will be a little time to discuss in the meeting Friday. The process

[TLS] Re: FATT process update

2024-11-05 Thread Rob Sayre
To clarify here, You can't have a reference here to " A "permanent" Design Group for TLS". That term is wrong and confusing. I don't disagree with all of the rest, which has changed since the last round, but that does need to be fixed up. Maybe Rich doesn't want to update his draft, but that nee

[TLS] Re: FATT process update

2024-11-05 Thread Salz, Rich
* I think Rich should retitle his document to "A 'permanent' Design Team for TLS", but then we can get on with it. I think my draft served my intended purpose, and while I prefer design team over FATT, I don’t see a reason to push forward on my draft any more. (And thanks for the nice word

[TLS] Re: FATT process update

2024-11-05 Thread Rob Sayre
I think Rich should retitle his document to "A 'permanent' Design Team for TLS", but then we can get on with it. The title is confusing because the first sentence is: "This memo defines a permanent design team, as defined in [WGPROCS]," That's a nit, but I think we want to be clear no process is