[TLS]Re: Trust Expressions Update

2024-07-21 Thread Rob Sayre
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 6:10 PM Kyle Nekritz wrote: > On the surveillance risks, what differentiates trust negotiations from > other existing negotiation mechanisms? Any negotiation mechanism comes with > risks that it will be used to negotiate something problematic. It's not > clear to me why tr

[TLS]Re: Trust Expressions Update

2024-07-21 Thread Kyle Nekritz
On the surveillance risks, what differentiates trust negotiations from other existing negotiation mechanisms? Any negotiation mechanism comes with risks that it will be used to negotiate something problematic. It's not clear to me why trust negotiation is significantly different in this regard t

[TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Concerns and Risks

2024-07-21 Thread Dennis Jackson
On 20/07/2024 11:23, David Benjamin wrote: On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 06:13 Mike Shaver wrote: In what way are these non-web systems not allowed to use other PKI models today? How would trust anchors provide that permission? If the same server serves both embedded/IoT traffic and web bro

[TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Concerns and Risks

2024-07-21 Thread Devon O'Brien
> Yes, if one drops usecases that are valuable to simplify stuff, later > adding mechanism for those usecases ends up more complex than if one > had just gone with the originally more complex solution. > > And it might be worse than just supporting both: The features could > interact in bad ways. F