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d that
they were actually managed by a tool. It's easy to mess things up. And the
tool is somewhat klunky if you're not used to it.
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3) Maybe make it so developers can fix their own needle-breaking problems?
4) Help everything get tested earlier
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specially for
the applications, it's going to be hard to automate thoroughly. Maybe we can
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; 5. Okay, and... bigger: we should aim for more approaches which let us
> >decouple as much as possible from the Release. (My grand hope is that we
> >can release every deliverable on its own schedule, but I also understand
> >the _highly aspirational_ nature of that id
nstall
it.
> in a broken state, and hopefully issue an update later, or is it better to
> yank it from the default install (provided it's not crucial for the
> desktop)? Or delay the release? I'd start with defining our priorities in
> this way. Is it un
but I also understand
the _highly aspirational_ nature of that idea. But...) What if we could
just easily ship GNOME Photos from GNOME 41 until a fix is found in the
updated one?
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> would, I think, be entirely too great.
Very possibly! I would certainly feel the temptation. This is why I said
that it's good for me to listen to those of y'all who are good at process.
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nges. Nano-as-default in Fedora Server
is another one.
Maybe even something where "getting the test hooked up" is the next step for
the change owner after the change is accepted. Is there a way where change
owners could plug into some of our exist
t; before release, I'd say file a FESCo ticket asking them to consider it
> as a blocker.
This makes sense to me. It might also make sense for big changes to also
include proposed updates to the validation criteria, just as modern software
development expects new features to come with tests fo
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ch some HTML&CSS headers
> together and combines selected Bugs & Solutions into the page. Simple
> approach. Simple Solution.
What is it stitching it _from_? How does it get into the install media? How
do we update it? What if it's a pro
On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 07:38:26PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> * More laziness for me (not needing to do steps 1 or 2 of the list above)
Well, forget laziness. I made a script[1] that does these things. And a
bunch of other stuff, some of which is only partly done, but I think well
eno
On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 07:38:26PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> * As I understand the semantics now, "CommonBugs" keyword means "maybe
> common bug?" and "CommonBugs + properly-formatted URL in the whiteboard
> field" means "actually common bug&quo
1 or 2 of the list above)
(probably would still want automation to help with 5 and 6 though). This
is non-trivial laziness, as 2 at least requires _writing_ to bugzilla,
while 5 and 6 could just read.
* As I understand the semantics now, "CommonBugs" keyword means "maybe
On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 07:41:53PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> I created a test topic to play aruond with what this would look like. Take a
> look:
>
> https://ask.fedoraproject.org/t/no-sound-after-upgrade-to-fedora-linux-35/18243
>
> In most cases, I think the solution pa
inked-topic from the proposed
topic and put your reply in the Proposed Common Issues category. Then that's
what QA (including, in my mind, new volunteers from Ask) would consider to
promote.
> Just to be clear, I'm still not convinced this is a good idea :-) But why
> not try it. Perh
al problems are resolved before the
> F36 cycle runs in full swing.
That does seem like a good idea. Maybe not quite _right away_, but soon.
Would you suggest duplicating the F35 Common Bugs, or making some _possible_
F36 ones based on Rawhide issues?
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but... well, that's expensive to do, which is why there is RHEL. :)
> PS really appreciate the work you guys do.
On behalf of everyone, thanks!
* https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/introducing-red-hat-universal-base-image
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> new tests for openQA (we have a backlog of test request tickets some of
> which are over a year old), finally getting somewhere with
> releasestream...
Okay. Let me see if I can f
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decision. FESCo is the governing body for the overall release schedule
(which is then implemented and managed by the Program Manager).
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chnical definitions of "bug". Like, I'm
seeing some people On The Internet say, with apparent straight faces, that
"bugs" are found during the testing phase and that once it's in
production, it's a "defect" not a "bug".
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frequently. (Or have it message bus triggered, whenever a bug with the
"CommonBugs" keyword is updated?)
That script could handle the "ADVISORY" substitution issue, too, right? That
is, fill out the fu
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On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 09:52:12AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> Ah, well that's unfortunate, and almost certainly what I'm seeing. Thanks!
(And yes, this was it.)
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're working on it - but workaround for now is to disable SB.
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unwanted
> packages.
I suppose the intention here is so that someone who installs the library for
this format gets it automatically working in Gimp. Maybe some of the
new-fangled rich dependencies would be be better than a "Recommends".
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On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 04:57:46PM +0200, Luna Jernberg wrote:
> Delayed another week:
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/2UHYXZ6LDWEQ2EUEL3QUMV753JKEAUXZ/
To be clear, this isn't a "delay". Not yet at least. :)
a priority for F35.
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On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 02:13:31PM -0500, Brandon Nielsen wrote:
> Does that make this[0] a blocker candidate?
> [0] - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1943683
Looks like it to me.
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rd when I got comfortable with it. I've seen trends go back and
> forth on this over the past 15 years.
Agreed. In any case, when people show up in our community, let's welcome
them, please, rather than starting off negative.
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On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 03:24:38PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> Where does this come from that people introduce themselves with
> pseudonyms, aliases, usernames but no real name?
If anything, I think it's a lot less common than it used to be.
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; 20.10, etc.
Yes, that would be great. I don't think we're going to do a comparative
review as an official Fedora Project release — better to stand on our own
merits and let others do the comparing — but I do always love to see videos
and articles like this (at least, when some thought has been
y within the
> Arch ecosystem so I am excited to branch out.
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e before*, and the monitor appeared. Then,
I rebooted back into the F34 kernel _and everything stayed working_.
So that's weird.
> Worst case you can downgrade because you made a btrfs snapshot first,
> right? ;)
No, no, I like to commit. :)
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longer is recognized. If I move to the laptop's own HDMI port, it
works, but the USB-C one no longer shows up.
Any ideas what changed?
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scrub is not a backup and shouldn't modify the atimes.
I can't imagine why you would use atime instead of ctime for backups.
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I mean full-disk backup utilities do it all the time.
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t; (if any) and does self-healing. It pretty much runs at device max read
> capability.
So given this, even with atimes there's only a write in the case where
there's a mismatch, right?
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one timer that runs the scrub, and one that looks for success or errors in
the logs.
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;t install it by default or have presets set up
> for the timers. There were arguments for and against shipping and
> enabling them by default[2].
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is supposed to run it manually or via a periodic system service. The
recommended period is a month but could be less."
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Last few releases, I've aggressively updated my systems to the branch very
shortly after branching, and I have (mostly) not regretted it. If I do that
with F34 this week... how's it looking?
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fy the image by the signed
> checksum available in the above link as well.
Hey Mohan, I notice the CHECKSUM file here is not readable.
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Media Writer. This was also successful.
Does that same ISO work to boot a VM?
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works with Mark's timeline.
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mages" to support OEM
> preloads.
We totally _could_, if someone is willing to add that commitment to their
workload. Depending on the scope (x86_64 Workstation only, say) it isn't
*gigantic* but it's not like it's trivial.
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Of the above, I think #2 is the best, but requires someone other than me to
do significant work. So, I'm raising it here. :)
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or added to GCC? I don't see them in GCC.
I expect that this is related to the upcoming GNOME redesign which affects these
things.
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something similar to "gating" for years, just implemented manually :)
Yeah, that's not a _great_ use of your time. Let's make the computer do it!
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are unnecessarily difficult. If you think HTTP(S) is unclear, I can reword
> it as "HTTP and HTTPS". Is that better?
I can live with that, but let's revisit in five years. :)
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quot;both http and https". And
in 2021+, if there's a weird case where https works but plain http does not,
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It would be interesting to see if the performance regression is caught with
`sudo ./runtests.sh -t performance` as part of the standard test day tests.
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> To make downgrade work, you can install the fedora-repos-archive package
> and pass --enablerepo=fedora-archive when you attempt the downgrade/undo.
Huh. Learn something every day. Thanks :)
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or by using the `koji download-build` command.
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; statically linked in as well.
You might be able to install busybox and get that to be helpful. But I don't
think we have a statically-linked RPM anymore. Personally, I'd rsync /home
to a backup device and reinstall the whole thing.
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lse eventually emerges, I guess. :P
I am totally up for renaming it to Fedora Primordial Soup. :)
...
1. I'm also open to having more or fewer things that are Editions,
and finding new and better ways to let teams promote their
not-labeled-as-edition outputs.
2. Put "relea
t it was
obviously the problem. Better to improve the process for the next time
than to worry exactly who gets to have their name on whatever went
wrong. Even if that improvement is "make sure to follow this existing
rule" rather than the new one proposed.
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whatever other desirable work via an update
-- or through an alternate module stream after the the release.
What do you think? Reasonable? Thanks!
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> I am interested in joining the QA team for Fedora. I would love to
> contribute to my favorite operating system.
Welcome Eric! We'd love to have your help and considerable expertise!
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n as root, my first approach woudl be to hit ctrl-alt-f6 to
bring up a text terminal and
1. See if you can log in as yourself, and
2. If that doesn't work, log in as root, use the `passwd username` command
to reset your password, and try step 1 again
If that doesn't work, look i
d the Fedora project with
> the purpose of "Giving back to the community".
That's great! Welcome to Fedora!
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> Anyway from the discussion, I am under the impression that btrfs
> uses compression by default for user's data files. If I am right
> will there be a way to turn that off?
It's still being discussed.
s are final.
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t check something
online, which has its own problems).
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Rawhide becomes future F34, we'll actually have the future F34 wallpaper in
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resulting emails (procmail or whatever) to highlight what you care about
2. Clone and modify the script so instead of filing an issue there, it files
one in the SIG's tracker, and only on a compose failure for the spin you
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idea in the form of a user story?
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That's awesome -- welcome!
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help? If you did and it didn't help, what is missing?
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>git checkout gnome-3.32
Sorry, this one shuld be
git checkout master
because there's not a released version that supports 3.34 yet.
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e https://github.com/micheleg/dash-to-dock.git
cd dash-to-dock
git checkout gnome-3.32
make
make install
And then we'll re-enable from the command line:
gnome-shell-extension-tool -e dash-to-d...@micxgx.gmail.com
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> This is the results: ImportError: No JS module
> 'dash-to-d...@micxgx.gmail.com' found in search path
At what point do you get that error?
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cd dash-to-dock
git checkout master
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make install
Then, log out and log in again.
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should be done in a code working space or temporary
directory, not under ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions.
Assuming that you're in ~/code/ or whatever, it may be that you've simply
already checked out dash-to-dock previously. In that case, simply change
into that directory and do:
tructions here:
https://micheleg.github.io/dash-to-dock/download.html#installfromsource
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;m hoping to submit bugs et al and hopefully learn
> more of linux. Working more efficiently with linux helps a lot with
> programming too, so I'm hoping this would help with my career too :)
> Thanks a lot for reading this, nice to meet you all!
Welcome to Fedora! Nice to have you
x, which is a vital feature for Silverblue but
also one we want to encourage on general Workstation as well.
Pretty sure it's also required for IoT.
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> from you all.
Hi Danny Lee, and welcome! Since Silverblue is a new thing, we definitely
need an influx of new testers, so your involvement is very welcome!
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> Is the intent that Silverblue will replace Workstation someday?
That's the hope of that project, yes.
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; as making more sense because
> clearly they can get those from the internet and we don't need to ship
> them.
Package set isn't the only distinguishing thing, though. We also have
install defaults (xfs vs ext4, for example) and presets for enabled
services.
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(both for the DVD and the install tree) and very little
> difference in user experience.
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d be called '--skip-broken' or at least have it as an
> alias, since AFAICS this change makes DNF behave the way yum used to,
> and --skip-broken was the name of yum's equivalent to "--nobest"...)
That makes a lot of sense, yes.
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edit a Ticket Pagure seems to be used. I browsed
> the projects in Pagure and you really need to know exactly which
> project to use before you go there. If I have this wrong or
> incomplete please point me to where I should read more.
Yes, this is right too. Sorry -- it's a bi
ions in general also come with an Install option
(usually as an application). It's been awhile since I looked at SOAS but I
imagine that's the case there too.
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> On Thu, 2018-09-20 at 14:16 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 01:49:20PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > > Justification:
> > > http://newsthump.com/2018/05/21/man-decides-to
ything
else which could prevent users from updating their systems.
2. It'd be kind of fun to ship on the anniversary of FC1 anyway, wouldn't
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