Re: lethal adventures in f18 alpha

2012-09-15 Thread cornel panceac
2012/9/16 Adam Williamson > On 2012-09-15 8:20, cornel panceac wrote: > >> Thanks, but you still didn't say what options you chose during the run >>> of anaconda. >>> >> >> that's probably because i don't understand what options are you >> referring to: software to install? location? probably th

Re: Better educating about what Alpha, Beta, Release means

2012-09-15 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 19:20:02 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: I agree the current conventions could be improved. We really should get around to this between 18 and 19. We have various proposals lying around in the list archives for changing the naming of RCs and TCs, and we also have prop

Re: Better educating about what Alpha, Beta, Release means

2012-09-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On 2012-09-15 10:47, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: I am seeing a LOT of confusion about what Alpha, Beta and Release levels. Several people saw the world GOLD and thought that it meant this was the final release.. other people saw Alpha Release Candidate and got the same impression. Some of this ma

Re: lethal adventures in f18 alpha

2012-09-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On 2012-09-15 8:20, cornel panceac wrote: Thanks, but you still didn't say what options you chose during the run of anaconda. that's probably because i don't understand what options are you referring to: software to install? location?  probably the last thing i've choosed was whch of those two

Re: F18 yum update bricks X - workaround

2012-09-15 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
On 09/13/2012 01:37 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: After successfully installing RC3 and adding various packages to compile gnuradio et al. I issued a yum -y --skip-broken update This pparently updated Noveau or something to a version that doesn't quite work. The cursor does not appea

Fedora 18 Alpha RC3.1 - Keyboard selection

2012-09-15 Thread Mateusz Marzantowicz
When selecting keyboard layout, there is a list with two options (only if another language has been selected): English (US) and another layout provided based on language selection. I can see two problems there: 1) English US is first on the list but I think it should be second or not present at al

Re: RC 3.1 Really broken

2012-09-15 Thread kevin martin
On Sep 15, 2012 4:13 AM, "Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R" wrote: > > > On 09/15/2012 01:00 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: >> >> On 15/09/12 08:57, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: >>> >>> I downloaded the 64 bit RC 3.1 and burned another DVD+R. >>> This one does not even get to the language choice scre

Better educating about what Alpha, Beta, Release means

2012-09-15 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
I am seeing a LOT of confusion about what Alpha, Beta and Release levels. Several people saw the world GOLD and thought that it meant this was the final release.. other people saw Alpha Release Candidate and got the same impression. Some of this may be user education and some of this is our naming

Re: lethal adventures in f18 alpha

2012-09-15 Thread cornel panceac
> > Thanks, but you still didn't say what options you chose during the run > of anaconda. > > that's probably because i don't understand what options are you referring to: software to install? location? probably the last thing i've choosed was whch of those two hard disks to use as an install targ

Re: lethal adventures in f18 alpha

2012-09-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2012-09-15 at 10:24 +0300, cornel panceac wrote: > btw, thank you adam for voting against discarding this bug as a > blocker. i'd say that *knowing* that an operating system will destroy > existing data on certain conditions and still declaring it Alpha GOLD, > it's far from reasonable expe

Re: lethal adventures in f18 alpha

2012-09-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2012-09-15 at 09:27 +0300, cornel panceac wrote: > You need to say what layout you had on the disk(s) previously, > and what options you chose during install. It's impossible to > know what happened. > > well the layout was something like this: > > p1 ->10gb -> s

Re: RC 3.1 Really broken

2012-09-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2012-09-15 at 06:43 -0700, John Reiser wrote: > On 09/15/2012 12:57 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: > > I downloaded the 64 bit RC 3.1 and burned another DVD+R. > > It seems to me that 3.1 was abandoned: > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-September/110061.html

Re: RC 3.1 Really broken

2012-09-15 Thread John Reiser
On 09/15/2012 12:57 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: > I downloaded the 64 bit RC 3.1 and burned another DVD+R. It seems to me that 3.1 was abandoned: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-September/110061.html Just to clarify, the Gold images (both install and lives) are 1

Test request for critical updates

2012-09-15 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, There's a bugfix release of liboauth that does not involve API or ABI changes, but because liboauth is marked as a critical path update, cannot be released for F-16 and F-17: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-13237/liboauth-0.9.

Re: RC 3.1 Really broken

2012-09-15 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
On 09/15/2012 01:00 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 15/09/12 08:57, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: I downloaded the 64 bit RC 3.1 and burned another DVD+R. This one does not even get to the language choice screen. A pxeboot from a locally mirrored rsync copy of mirrors1.kernel.org::fedora/d

Re: RC 3.1 Really broken

2012-09-15 Thread Frank Murphy
On 15/09/12 08:57, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: I downloaded the 64 bit RC 3.1 and burned another DVD+R. This one does not even get to the language choice screen. A pxeboot from a locally mirrored rsync copy of mirrors1.kernel.org::fedora/development/18/x86_64/os wedged in the same pla

RC 3.1 Really broken

2012-09-15 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
I downloaded the 64 bit RC 3.1 and burned another DVD+R. This one does not even get to the language choice screen. A pxeboot from a locally mirrored rsync copy of mirrors1.kernel.org::fedora/development/18/x86_64/os wedged in the same place. The number of Fedora coasters I've made from DVD+R b

Re: lethal adventures in f18 alpha

2012-09-15 Thread cornel panceac
btw, thank you adam for voting against discarding this bug as a blocker. i'd say that *knowing* that an operating system will destroy existing data on certain conditions and still declaring it Alpha GOLD, it's far from reasonable expectations. my understanding is that, when we say that an OS *may*

Re: lethal adventures in f18 alpha

2012-09-15 Thread cornel panceac
2012/9/15 Ed Greshko > On 09/15/2012 02:27 PM, cornel panceac wrote: > > i do not really understand why are you sayng that. i mean, since we > already do not know if we are installing grub to the right drive, what's > worst in doing it two times in a row? (or three, etc) > > Because there may be

Re: F18 Alpha Software Selection...

2012-09-15 Thread Ed Greshko
On 09/15/2012 02:07 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On 2012-09-13 17:31, Ed Greshko wrote: >> I just downloaded the latest F18 Alpha RC and I'm a bit confused. >> I've skipped a few test images and I may be missing something. In >> earlier versions I've tried, I'm pretty sure I was able to select my

Re: lethal adventures in f18 alpha

2012-09-15 Thread Ed Greshko
On 09/15/2012 02:27 PM, cornel panceac wrote: > i do not really understand why are you sayng that. i mean, since we already > do not know if we are installing grub to the right drive, what's worst in > doing it two times in a row? (or three, etc) Because there may be people such as myself in ex