>>> Hm, but especially :25 was traditionally used by MUAs, no?
>>> Who used the submission port ~a decade ago?
>> User agents. [...]
> Well ok submission (not -s) seems to have been invented (RFCd) in
> 1998. BUt i am very sure i have submitted mails via MUA to port 25
> some time in the past.
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Mouse wrote in
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|> Hm, but especially :25 was traditionally used by MUAs, no?
|> Who used the submission port ~a decade ago?
|
|User agents. I'm pretty sure submission was a thing _two_ decades ago,
|though IIRC not all that big a thing. (M
> Hm, but especially :25 was traditionally used by MUAs, no?
> Who used the submission port ~a decade ago?
User agents. I'm pretty sure submission was a thing _two_ decades ago,
though IIRC not all that big a thing. (Mind you, it may not have been
on the port it's on today, but there was somethi
Greg Troxel wrote in
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|Taylor R Campbell writes:
|
|> `smtp(s)' and `submission(s)' are subtly different protocols and
|> should not be aliases:
|>
|> - smtp(s) is for MTA<->MTA exchange of fully formed internet mail
|> messages with complete headers.
Hm, but especially :25 was traditi
Greg Troxel wrote in
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|Hauke Fath writes:
|> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 18:20:40 +0200, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote:
|>> Greg Troxel wrote in :
|>>|Hauke Fath writes:
|>>|> attached is a diff with services that for some reason or other got
|>>|> dropped from /etc/services - in particular Amanda* and
NetBSD is the only OS I regularly use that comes without a set of root
certificates by default. All Linux distros have them. People that set up
CI systems, VMs, laptops, etc. generally expect them to be there.
As someone who not only administers a good number of NetBSD servers but
has also hel
Taylor R Campbell writes:
> `smtp(s)' and `submission(s)' are subtly different protocols and
> should not be aliases:
>
> - smtp(s) is for MTA<->MTA exchange of fully formed internet mail
> messages with complete headers.
>
> - submission(s) is for an MUA to submit new messages, which may not
>
Mouse writes:
>> I'm also not sure it matters if a TLS session is preceded by the ten
>> bytes `STARTTLS\r\n' on the wire or not.
> In theory, it matters because the conversation is not conformant to the
> protocol otherwise; a receiver-SMTP would be entirely justified in
> dropping a connection
> I'm also not sure it matters if a TLS session is preceded by the ten
> bytes `STARTTLS\r\n' on the wire or not.
I would say it does.
In theory, it matters because the conversation is not conformant to the
protocol otherwise; a receiver-SMTP would be entirely justified in
dropping a connection w
On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 12:41:53 +0200, Hauke Fath wrote:
> IANA appears to have settled on submissions for port 465 (which,
> coincidentally, was assigned to 'urd' in the netbsd-5 version, and the
> NetBSD addition then declared the smtps alias). A web search for
> 'smtps' confirms widespread use, s
> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 12:41:53 +0200
> From: Hauke Fath
>
> IANA appears to have settled on submissions for port 465 (which,
> coincidentally, was assigned to 'urd' in the netbsd-5 version, and the
> NetBSD addition then declared the smtps alias). A web search for
> 'smtps' confirms widespre
Hauke Fath writes:
> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 18:20:40 +0200, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote:
>> Greg Troxel wrote in :
>> |Hauke Fath writes:
>> |> attached is a diff with services that for some reason or other got
>> |> dropped from /etc/services - in particular Amanda* and AppleTalk.
>> |
>> |The re
On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 18:20:40 +0200, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote:
> Greg Troxel wrote in :
> |Hauke Fath writes:
> |> attached is a diff with services that for some reason or other got
> |> dropped from /etc/services - in particular Amanda* and AppleTalk.
> |
> |The really big question here is the
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