I have a .application file. Personally this strikes me as one of
those behaviors which seem newbie friendly (see, you can start it up without
having to make a .application file!) but really aren't (the documentation
keeps talking about the .application file, but I don't seem to *have* one!
Did you try running the thing under a profiler? I tend to use
JProfiler here and I'm quite happy with it.
The last time I did a serious performance attach on a Tapestry 3.0.3
app, by far the biggest performance bottleneck was the demon OGNL. Howard
and I went round and round on t
'2')
> AND (PTI.CMA_CUSTOMER_NUMBER IS NULL
>OR NOT PTI.CMA_CUSTOMER_NUMBER = 1)
> AND PTI.PARTY_TYPE_ID = ('14')
> AND EXISTS (SELECT 1
> FROM PARTY_CLASSIF PC
> WHERE
Just how many tables are you joining in these tables here? When I
see phrases like "highly normalized data model", my "danger will robinson"
alarm goes off. If you overnormalize, your database is going to kill itself
joining tables for you. Sometimes you just have to denormalize to make
pe
If it really bugs you (which it sounds like it does), you could
always ask them to stop, neh? As the guy behind Tapestry, a request from you
would carry a certain amount of Moral Authority if nothing else. If that
fails, you could just ban their IP from the mailing lists :).
--- P
I don't know if Velocity includes a mailer or not (I have some old
mail generation home-brew code I still use), but I've been using apache's
commons email package as a MDU and been quite happy with it.
http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/email/
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
Well just think of all the bandwidth we've sucked up debating the
merit's of his OTness; far more than his original question and answers used
:).
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:16 AM
> To: Tape
I'm with Ron on this one. I don't mind the occasional OT post; I've been
guilty of using this forum for non tapestry stuff myself and I don't see
anything intrinsically wrong with it. Ultimately it's a community of like
minded people, and folks are occasionally going to stray into OT land.
Is anything ever easier to read over PDF :)?
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: FRANK ROCCO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:57 AM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: anyone buy Kent's Tapestry Book that has PDF version?
>
> Hello,
>
> I
I'm going to sound really dumb here (especially because I'm a big
spindle user), but:
What does Spindle do apart from editing and context checking?
--- Pat
PS So I guess you could put me in the "only editing" group, although
now I wonder if I've been missing some
That was my understanding as well, although the last time I got into
a discussion about the topic with the Tacos crew there was a degree of "wait
and see ... we may be more clever than you think".
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi [mailto:[EMA
Did you try just implementing PageValidateListener? For simple stuff
that's going to be a lot easier than hacking BaseEngine.
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Tomcy John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 7:47 PM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject:
This will probably help (3.0.3):
1: The Service:
package services;
import java.io.IOException;
import javax.servlet.ServletException;
import org.apache.tapestry.IComponent;
import org.apache.tapestry.IRequestCycle;
import org.apache.tapestry.engine.AbstractService;
import org.
the whole problem with getting access to what's
> rendered inside a For component. But that's not something I've
> needed to deal with very often, so I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
>
> --Chris
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Patrick Casey&q
That's rather akin to the claim that if I have 120 cars in my garage, my BMW
is actually a transformer, on the grounds that I could decide to drive a
Buik instead, isn't it? The idea that I have to know a-priori every possible
component I might, potentially, need to render, is the hangup, not to
m
nd line using the -clean flag.
>
> Auto update will now work.
>
> If you do need the groovy support you'll be stuck until I fix my end
> of the problem (this evening).
>
> Geoff
> On 1/27/06, Patrick Casey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
Hi Folks,
I have a suspicion this may be related to the fact that I'm
still on Tapestry 3.0.3, but for the last week or so, Eclipse auto-update
has been trying to update my copy of Spindle. When it does though, I get
this error message:
Groovestry Support Add-in f
I don't necessarily buy the slippery slope argument here. One might
as well argue "well if we put listener functions in the page class that fire
when users click links or buttons, the before you know it users are going to
insist on the full swing set, so we shouldn't do listener functions"
> A nice side benefit is you get to use Apache's native SSL
> implementation which is orders of magnitude faster then the terribly
> slow Java SSL implementation.
My understanding is that this hasn't been true since the 1.4 JVM
e.g. java's ssl package has gotten a *lot* faster and now come
I'd be more comfortable about that approach if it weren't for the
fact that every time somebody on this list seems to use portlets a new bug
report gets up being generated for something or another :(. The portlet
support smells like it needs another revision or two to knock the rough
edges
I agree with Richard; the OP's problem isn't that Tapestry doesn't
support or use components, it's that he can't dynamically alter the
component tree. It's rather like claiming that my laptop's CPU doesn't use
transistors because I can't change them after it comes out of the FAB plant
:).
The stateful flag is still there in 3.0, isn't it? So you setting
stateful="false" on your link should solve the problem regardless of
version.
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:32 PM
> To: Tape
Did you try (for debugging if nothing else):
IPage page = cycle.getPage("foo");
if (page != null)
cycle.activate(page);
else
Log.error("Strange things are afoot at the circle K");
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From
ct: Re: Wiring up an Export service
>
> Are these Tapestry 3 or 4? They seems to be Tapestry 3.
>
>
> On 1/25/06, Patrick Casey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > Probably the easiest way to invoke a service i
Steve,
Probably the easiest way to invoke a service is to link directly to
it rather than use a directlink, have the page listener fire, and then
invoke the service. So what I'd recommend is that you see if you can use the
existing ServiceLink component to invoke your service or,
The problem is where you're setting the bigdecimal.
BigDecimal a = new BigDecimal(3.163) sets the bigdecimal to the
*double* 3.163. The double is the implied type of any constant set in java
if there isn't enough information available to type it explicitely.
To set the B
Huh? A double is a double is a double, regardless of the processor's
register size, neh? Isn't that one of the guarantees of the JVM?
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Sergei Dubov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 11:12 AM
> To: Tapestry use
Double is java's implementation of EEE Long Real: 64 bits
It encodes things as:
1 bit for the sign,
11 bits for the exponent
52 bits for the mantissa
What that means is that any number it encodes is actually a small
math problem that is "solved"
Which web.xml are you setting? It's a global tomcat setting, so you
need to add that line to the web.xml in:
/conf/web.xml
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Vincent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:54 PM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subje
And here I thought tapestry was a framework written in the java
language.
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Warner Onstine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:02 PM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: Tapestry not ranked high?
>
> I'm confused
I've got a rather bizarre requirement at the moment (at least in
my mind) where people want to be able to get a report of what their screen
looked like. In other words if you fill in an order form, the administrator
doesn't want just any old report describing your order, he wants a r
I would get back "could not resolve
> property: City of com.domain.City". The way it is selecting it is
> basically by using
>
> session.createCriteria(City.class).addOrder(Order.asc("City.state.name")).
> list();
>
> On Fri, 2006-01-20 at 08:42
city.state.name
Or, to use an actual example from an app of mine:
person.address.state
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 8:38 AM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: sorting table colu
I'd love to see some of the better components out of the Tassel or
Tacos library find their way into the base Tapestry distribution. I think
it's complicated enough for new users to have to add the contrib library to
their projects without having to ask them to go off and google their way
Isn't it in the jar? So unless you get the source I'm not sure you
can change it conveniently. Even if you pull the .js out of the jar (it's
plaintext) the bytecode for the .class will still load the .js out of the
jar won't it?
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris
, stuffing an object id into a DirectLink
> > or storing an object id in a persistent page property and then
> > recreating the object in pageBeginRender. Can't Tapestry handle this
> > conversion instead? I'm thinking of something like the "converter"
> > p
A fairly standard approach is to not send the object out on the
directlink, but instead send out some sort of uniquely identifiable key and
the pull the object back out of persistent storage as the first operation in
your direct link.
If you're talking about DB objects, then putti
Disabling hot code replacement doesn't mean your web app reloads
instantly, it means it *never reloads*. The classloader loads the .class
file as it existed the first time a class was references and hangs onto that
version of the .class until the JVM cycles. That's why your annotation
chan
Did this change in 4.0? In 3.0.3 you didn't have to get this fancy,
you could just change your .application file.
This overrides the default renders for StaleLink, StaleSession, and
Generic Exceptions. It's then up to you to catch the error and do whatever
you want in
r something like a one-second reload of just the one file that changed.
>
>
> Patrick Casey wrote:
>
> > Did you set reloadable="true" in your web.xml?
> >
> > --- Pat
> >
> >
> >
> >>-Original Message-
> >>
Did you set reloadable="true" in your web.xml?
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 5:29 PM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: First page display slowdown in v 4.0
>
> I must be doing something wrong
There's a lot of behind the scenes work going on the first time a
page is rendered. Basically Tapestry is creating a kind of
meta-representation of your page, enhancing your page class, and doing all
sorts of behind the scenes grinding. The downside is that, yah, first page
render is slow.
Sorry for the OTness, but I'm in a wee bit of a bind here so I
was hoping somebody here would be able to help me out.
I have a web application that used tapestry inside of tomcat to
host certain protected HTTPS pages. I properly set up a certificate, the
security cons
Agree; if you're doing work at a customer site, you use what the
customer has, and lots of folks are still on JDK 1.3. I wouldn't dream of
using it for any new stand-alone development mind you, but if it's gotta run
on a customer's hardware inside their managed box, it's got to use whateve
I agree with you gaz; I'd *like* to be able to do things that way
myself. It's more natural for my programming background since its similar to
the way most gui frameworks I've worked with operate e.g. you want a new
button? You add a new button :). You don't have to declaratively thing ahe
I take the opposite approach, not out of any deeply held conviction,
but just habit I guess. All my images go in /img, all my css goes in /css,
etc. It means that a component might not be in its own self contained
directory, but it also means that I don't have to look all over the map to
f
I think what he's getting at is this:
The way tapestry works today, a page is a static tree of components.
Based on various conditional statements, not every component in the tree
gets built for a specific page render, but they actual set of components is
fixed at design time.
I'd generally be inclined to go with Option #2. Loading an object in
session A, then reattaching it to session B (with, for example,
Session.lock()) is a bit of a code smell with hibernate, especially if
there's any chance the object might have been changed by another thread
between initia
Wouldn't Howard's proposed approach of serializing and compressing
all relevant page data in the outbound stream and then echoing it back in
the POST still let you do things like loops, but without having to muck
around with the rewind cycle? I don't see why his approach would prevent you
I have to agree with Lennart here; I felt a wee bit uncomfortable
reading Howard's mail. I mean really, we're supposed to be a user mailing
list here, not the borg collective (yes, I made a Star Trek reference, so
sue me :).
I don't have a problem with saying "hey, tapestry got me
You could set proxy=false in your hibernate mapping to prevent this
kind of class enhancement, but you'd take a serious performance hit. Without
seeing the source for the hibernate squeezer I can't offer a solution on
that end.
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Ted Ste
Do you consider adding a .css page via the style parameter of the
shell component to be insufficiently elegant? It's the usual approach.
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephane Decleire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:42 AM
> To: tapestr
How are you getting into the listener of page A? Usually a listener
method gets called in response to a user submission e.g.
Page Zed is up.
User pushes button/link.
ListenerZed fires.
You push parameters into page A.
Page A renders.
User pu
No, those settings affect the tapestry cache and the reset service,
respectively. To turn of shutdown session serialization and persistence in
tomcat set:
saveOnRestart=false
In your session manager configuration.
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Vincent [ma
You sure you're not leaking jdbc connections? Try fiddling with the
max_connections parameter in you're my.cnf file and see if that changes the
entimology of the hang.
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: tmarx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2
on-per-view and I don't want to have to change my
> services to have to know about their being serialized. Besides, doesn't
> serializing the service kind of defeat the point of not serializing the
> object the service is loading?
>
> On Tue, 2006-01-03 at 11:06 -
Can't you just get a new session e.g.
Session s = getSession();
If (s == null)
s = MySessionFactory.openSession();
Object MyReloadedObject = s.load(MyClass.class, MyId);
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Adams [mailto:[EMAIL
Can't you use your web server's redirect function to take care of
this? On tomcat, for example, you specify:
Corinna
/foo/bar/*
CONFIDENTIAL
And then any url that starts with /foo/bar au
> In the case I described, the only restrictions is that you can not load
> new modules in the kernel. Not a big deal IMO...
> You can install whatever packages you need (on a CentOS aka RHEL base)
> in a 15Gb disk.
> Good enough for 99% of people no?
> -jec
Quite possibly. My concern is just t
Yah, but then you're time slicing a fragment of a box, often with
restrictions on what you can do with it e.g. you get the 1.4.2 JVM because
that's what the server has on it, you get the standard package list and
can't install more, etc.
A virtual server may well work for a lot of
Well, a lot of services will just flat out lease you a box, then
it's up to you to use whatever you want on them. Usually for $100 per month
or so, you can get a box with a static IP address and an internet
connection. You can, of course, pay a lot more if you require, say hot
hourly backu
Couldn't you just override the component's renderBody method? And
then do something like:
Public void renderBody(IRequestCycle cycle) {
If (foo)
Super.renderBody(cycle);
}
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: John Smith [mailto:[EM
Create, Read, Update, Delete
The four atomic actions of most simple database applications.
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Thom Hehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:13 AM
> To: tapestry-user@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: CRUD
I saw that error a lot in my existing 3.0 application. In my case I
eventually tracked it down to a low level socket write error (my server was
reporting that the browser shut the socket before it finished sending the
full stream). I'm sure there's another underlying cause e.g. the browser
Eeek! Maybe I'm weird on this one, but I'd much rather have a small
number of big releases than a continuous upgrade cycle.
Every time I change a core library, it's a regression testing
nightmare. Even if nothing at all breaks, I still have to go back and ensure
that fact. I can d
I think you may have misread what Howard proposed.
4.0 is and will be 1.4 compatible.
He's speculating about 4.1.
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Darío Vasconcelos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:59 PM
> To: Tapestry u
Personally, +1 for 1.5. I'm already targeting 1.5 for everything I'm
working on now, so I've no need for 1.4.2 compatibilty.
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:05 PM
> To: Tapestry developm
Maybe he's using mySQL with myISAM tables? Rollback is a NOOP
there...
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:27 AM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: Slightly OT - Hibernate Lazy Loading with Spring and Tapestry
>
I have some unpackaged code that support either URL signing (to
throw errors if the URL has been hacked), or URL encryption (to flat out
encrypt the entire URL). It's not in a nice friendly jar or anything though,
but if you want to work with it, let me know and I'll email you the code. I
Does the html spec even allow you to selectively disable one option
in an optiongroup? My copy of the spec seems to imply that its supposed to
inherit the disabled property from its containing rather than each
havning its own private disabled flag.
Note the "unavailable in th
Did you try readonly="true"?
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Ryan Pan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 11:04 PM
> To: tapestry-user@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: issue about a attribute "readonly" of component
>
> Hi all,
> Is ther
Plus, with few exceptions, you almost never get called a &^&^&ing
ignorant newb here. I *hate* the Hibernate forums.
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Chiappone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 1:55 PM
> To: Tapestry users; Konstantin I
One word of advice:
The first few days with Tapestry are going to be frustrating :).
Plan on pulling your hair out a little, but don't worry it does all start to
come together after a bit. In other words, if you struggle a bit early on,
don't give up.
--- Pat
> -Orig
Or at least take it to private emails. The rest of us don't need to
hear the two of you going at it :(.
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Eric Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 11:19 AM
> To: Tapestry users; Konstantin Ignatyev
> Sub
> -Original Message-
> From: Cosmin Bucur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:32 AM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: Learning Tapestry
>
> On 12/16/05, Patrick Casey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Wh
What's wrong with something being eclipse oriented? I understand
there are folks out there who don't use it, but it it's got to be by far the
planet's most common java IDE. A tutorial sufficiently detailed for a
beginner is going to have to give instructions about some IDE stuff too, so
Ec
Sure looks like a potential threading problem. Beyond that, I can't
say much unfortunately as I, like most everyone else on the planet, used to
assume Double Check locks were thread safe.
--- Pat
PS Now they tell me x++ isn't thread safe either and I need to use
AtomicInt
Did you try the swiss army knife of paths the single dot :)?
e.g.
src = "./js/dojo/dojo.js"
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 11:19 AM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: How to
User a ValidField instead of a TextField. TextFields only work with
string data types, while ValidFields use the validator to do data type
conversion between the displayed string and the appropriate internal data
type.
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: gcormier [mailt
What's the point of the callback then if you have to persist the
callback yourself anyway?
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Piterman
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:51 PM
> To: tapestry-user@jakarta.apache.org
> Sub
Are you sure it's hard coded? Isn't the max upload size set in the
extension point?
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Dotte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:32 AM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: RE: Client-sid
In the case of a form, the quick answer is: probably. Tapestry
doesn't really maintain a copy of the form on the server and then cross
reference when you submit. What it does is *rebuild* the form on the server
on submission and make sure that rebuilt form has the same number of widgets
as
Further simplifying Tapestry (was: tapestry to JSF
> conversion)
>
> To be honest, the wizards in Spindle are the part I like building the
> least. The builder is cool, the editors are neat, the wizards are
> drudgery.
>
> Geoff
>
> On 12/12/05, Patrick Casey <[EMAI
I'd love to see some sort of form generation wizard that was
integrated with either hibernate or just a simple POJO.
e.g.
"Build me a form to display an example of ."
And then have the wizard introspect the class, determine the fields
and types, and then create w
I think your question contains within it the solution to your
problem :). Seriously, it's just not practical, even for most commercial
sites, to target more than IE/Firefox and maybe Safari. If Tacos is the only
component that doesn't work right on Konqueror, I'd be really surprised
(happy
> After Tapestry 4 is final, the next project needs to be to create a
> comprehensive developers toolset IMO. It's the wizards and autopromts that
> get the beginners roped in. Spindle would seem to make a logical place to
> start.
>
> John
Agree about 200%; I'd dearly love for users to
I don't find it as clean as you do for the simple reason that it's
yet one more moving part I have to deploy and test. It's yet one more thing
a potential client could forget about, and it's yet one more thing I have to
educate my support folks on.
"Ok, so, lets learn a little ab
I do find as a general rule that, even if I'm in control of the client
and the server, I still like having a dynamic scripting language embedded in my
applications. It lets me, tech support, or the customer change behaviors
without me having to do a recompile which makes my life like 10
The home page doesn't have the login logic on it, does it? Are you
persisting something into the session on login that writes the value out?
Likewise remember that the default value only gets set once, so if
you change it, it doesn't change back every time the component go
I seem to recall reading something about this in one of Howard's
blog entries, but when I looked back I couldn't find anything so I thought
I'd ask about it here.
Lets say we have a component that serves up some static content
(like, say 4 .gif files that go on button
I've never tried it with hivemind, but the usual approach is to
implement hibernate's listener API and then create Lucene records in the
OnPostInsert, OnPostUpdate, and OnPostDelete events. It really only amount
to a hundred lines of code or so total.
--- Pat
> -Original Mess
One word of advice about the PageValidate code. At least in 3.0.3,
you couldn't actually veto the render in the validate routine (unless I was
using it wrong). Instead you had to throw a redirectexception to abort the
render and send the page elsewhere.
If you just did a cycle.act
You don't have the cache disabled on the dev machine do you? If so
I'd definitely look into your page initialization logic.
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Borins
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 7:50 AM
> To: tapestr
public void service(IEngineServiceView acrg0, IRequestCycle cycle,
ResponseOutputStream response) throws
ServletException, IOException {
Object[] parms = this.getParameters(cycle);
Clock c = new Clock();
String cssName = (Stri
If you use a Tapestry 3.0.3 Validfield, the valuator has two
purposes:
1) Validate Data
2) Perform Type Conversion
The sequence of events is:
If valid then return type converted object.
--- Pat
> -Original Message-
> From: Ryan Pan [mail
> >
> Hmmm... yeah I thought so when I checked the release. But sometimes it
> bugs me as a "version-marketing" (here we go again) approach to
> numbering... I guess I'd need to see it more closely. No time now, though.
Yah, because no product *we* know and love would ever stoop to
someth
05 3:16 PM
> > To: Tapestry users
> > Subject: Re: tapestry to JSF conversion
> >
> >
> > you know ... to throw the discusion COMPLETLY offtopic now
> >
> > On 12/8/05, Cosmin Bucur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > since we're discussing ef
cycle.getRequestContext().getRequest().getRemoteAddr();
> -Original Message-
> From: Istvan Zakar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:23 PM
> To: tapestry-user@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Clinets IP
>
> Hello!
>
> My application should display a littlebit
Honestly, I looked into it and couldn't figure out what all the fuss
is about. For a little toy crud application it's nice and fast, but, hey,
so's python, perl, or PHP.
It just doesn't have to features I'd need to build what I consider a
"real" application. One question in the ra
Please see comments below :).
> -Original Message-
> From: Leonardo Quijano Vincenzi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:01 PM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: tapestry to JSF conversion
>
> Well actually you can download Java and buy MyEclipse for
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