Re: [Tagging] Streets with gradually increasing widths

2023-08-15 Thread Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging
On 16.08.2023 06:33, Kashish via Tagging wrote: 1. width:start=*/width:end=*, optionally with width=* for the minimum width of the street, and with a word of warning about the results of editors splitting ways. Would you require in these cases that the road width is changing exactly linearly

[Tagging] Request for help in determining how to tag car barriers

2024-04-22 Thread Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging
Hi everyone. There’s an on-going discussion in the Norway category on how to tag car barriers. We request your input on the subject. A detailed explanation of the issue and the discussion so far is here: https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/request-for-help-in-determining-how-to-tag-car-barr

Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

2024-04-28 Thread Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging
Generally speaking, how do we reconcile these two? bicycle=yes highway=steps What is a data consumer supposed to infer from this as opposed to just highway=steps? As long as foot=designated, aren't cyclists always allowed to get off the bike and push/carry it? And wouldn't they have to when t

Re: [Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

2024-04-29 Thread Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging
1) true, but wouldn't that by default be all steps unless otherwise noted? I guess in this case it's assumed that the steps inherit their implicit access from bridleway, so that might be different from the general case...? 2) a noble cause, but again I would think that excluding bicycle=no from

Re: [Tagging] Difference between "yes" and "designated" in access tags

2024-04-30 Thread Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging
I would re-iterate Martin's assertion. In Norway, we tag bicycle=designated/foot=designated when there is a traffic sign for cycleway/footway/combined. Implicit in this logic is that the consequence of the traffic sign is a different legal status compared to an unsigned road. A route sign is n

[Tagging] Tagging type of ownership of a road

2023-04-13 Thread Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging
Hi. In Norway, roads are owned by the state, a county, a municipality, or a private entity. Ownership of the road implies general responsibility for maintenance and authority over signage and usage. I assume most countries divide road ownership and authority in a similar way. As an example o

Re: [Tagging] Tagging type of ownership of a road

2023-04-13 Thread Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging
09:04, Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging wrote: I couldn't find an official way to capture this information in OSM. Is there one? you could use the operator tag (although it doesn’t relate to ownership, it is about the entity in charge of maintenance, and there could be several different ent

Re: [Tagging] Tagging type of ownership of a road

2023-04-13 Thread Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging
13 at 08:58 +0200, Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging wrote: The status quo for "car" roads in Norway seems to be that state roads are highway=motorway or highway=trunk, county roads are highway=primary or highway=secondary, and municipal roads are highway=tertiary and so on. For cycleways and

Re: [Tagging] Tagging type of ownership of a road

2023-04-13 Thread Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging
On 13 Apr 2023, at 09:04, Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging wrote: I couldn't find an official way to capture this information in OSM. Is there one? you could use the operator tag (although it doesn’t relate to ownership, it is about the entity in charge of maintenance, and there could be s

Re: [Tagging] Tagging type of ownership of a road

2023-04-13 Thread Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging
ator at some point in the future again diverges from the owner (like with the county roads), we can put that in operator. Sound good? Jens On 13.04.2023 12:42, Greg Troxel wrote: Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging writes: That does seem to capture it when used on roads. I see it's mostly u

Re: [Tagging] Tagging type of ownership of a road

2023-04-14 Thread Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging
On 14.04.2023 00:30, stevea wrote: A search might be able to discern "in which" jurisdiction(s) a road is found, much like a geocoder works with a minimal amount of data "scattered around" (geographically) enough to determine "close enough to a node to be associated with it" (as a place, for ex

Re: [Tagging] Tagging type of ownership of a road

2023-04-14 Thread Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging
On 14.04.2023 09:13, Peter Neale wrote: Well, to me, "type of ownership" suggests values such as "freehold"; "leasehold"; "rented", which I _don't_ think is what is intended. I agree that "type of" is ambiguous, but the same applies to "ownership". Neither is fully understood by just reading

Re: [Tagging] Tagging type of ownership of a road

2023-04-14 Thread Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging
On 14.04.2023 10:13, Volker Schmidt wrote: Ownership is not relevant if you think in terms of fixmystreet.. Just two extreme examples. * The Italian Motorway network is owned by the Italian via a state-majority public company, and operated by several different private or state-owned co

Re: [Tagging] Tagging type of ownership of a road

2023-04-16 Thread Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging
On 16.04.2023 16:55, Greg Troxel wrote: If we look at this from a data perspective, the most important information for us to capture /today/ is which public entity type owns the road and put this in the ownership tag. The specific entity can be derived geographically with probably 100% accuracy.

Re: [Tagging] Tagging type of ownership of a road

2023-04-16 Thread Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging
On 16.04.2023 21:40, stevea wrote: Isn't it a general assumption for everything that the owner is the operator by default? I'm not saying "isn't it always true", but isn't that generally the assumption if no other information is presented? An obviously dangerous slope to slip down here and may