Re: [Tagging] Highway classification in Antarctica

2024-04-25 Thread Christoph Hormann
I wanted to add some cautionary advice here. Mapping in the Antarctic in OSM is to a much larger part than on other continents fueled by 'imagined' things. I am not talking about stuff here individually made up by mappers but more institutionally conjured ideas, projections and to some extent

Re: [Tagging] Highway classification in Antarctica

2024-04-25 Thread Fernando Trebien
Considering that requiring local surveys in Antarctica would lead to an empty map and that assuming that governments are always lying would prevent us from importing government data, to me it seems relatively safe to assume that something exists if it has visible traces in imagery and multiple diff

Re: [Tagging] Highway classification in Antarctica

2024-04-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Apr 25, 2024, 14:20 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com: > Considering that requiring local surveys in Antarctica would lead to > an empty map and that assuming that governments are always lying would > prevent us from importing government data > please reread message you are responding to "without

Re: [Tagging] Highway classification in Antarctica

2024-04-25 Thread Fernando Trebien
On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 at 10:40, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > BTW, I think that at this point > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Antarctica/Tagging#Roads_and_routes > section should be removed. I think it would be better to adjust it to the emerging consensus, but the discussion started

Re: [Tagging] Highway classification in Antarctica

2024-04-25 Thread Fernando Trebien
On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 at 10:40, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > Apr 25, 2024, 14:20 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com: > > Considering that requiring local surveys in Antarctica would lead to > an empty map and that assuming that governments are always lying would > prevent us from importing gove

Re: [Tagging] Highway classification in Antarctica

2024-04-25 Thread Christoph Hormann
> Fernando Trebien hat am 25.04.2024 geschrieben: > > Are such parameters absolute, or would we get a better > map if we adapt them to local realities? That is exactly one of the points i was trying to make. You can try to create a better map from map styles that are not only not optimized f

Re: [Tagging] Highway classification in Antarctica

2024-04-25 Thread Fernando Trebien
I also think that such changes also imply corrections to the following section regarding how importance is to be assessed by mappers: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway#Assumptions Particularly this sentence: "In a region with poor infrastructure, a road of highest importance, formi

Re: [Tagging] Highway classification in Antarctica

2024-04-25 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 10:13 AM Christoph Hormann wrote: > [...] you can try to record semantically meaningful information about the > geographic reality. > > [...] Even more clear in that regard is the use of secondary tags like > snowmobile=yes, ice_road=yes, surface=ice. I don't think anyon

Re: [Tagging] Highway classification in Antarctica

2024-04-25 Thread Fernando Trebien
On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 at 11:13, Christoph Hormann wrote: > Even more clear in that regard is the use of secondary tags like > snowmobile=yes, ice_road=yes, surface=ice. These are evidently factually > wrong. This is probably best discussed in changeset comments, but I'm curious why they would be

Re: [Tagging] Highway classification in Antarctica

2024-04-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Apr 25, 2024, 16:16 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com: > I also think that such changes also imply corrections to the following > section regarding how importance is to be assessed by mappers: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway#Assumptions > > Particularly this sentence: > > "In a

Re: [Tagging] Highway classification in Antarctica

2024-04-25 Thread Fernando Trebien
Very well. What is a minimum requirement for a sparsely populated island with unpaved streets and roads to get its first highway=tertiary? A pair of hamlets? A single large town? How large? On Thu, 25 Apr 2024, 14:46 Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging, < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > Apr 2

[Tagging] Direct reduced iron plants

2024-04-25 Thread Daniel Evans
Hi all, In the steel industry, a process which has started gaining adoption in recent years is the production of steel from Direct Reduced Iron (DRI), rather than from pig iron produced from iron ore in a blast furnace. To give context, the two existing widespread methods of steel production are:

Re: [Tagging] Highway classification in Antarctica

2024-04-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 25 Apr 2024, at 09:51, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > By established conventions of functional road tagging in OSM these would > almost all be service roads (no through-traffic to other destinations than > the ones the route ends at). this is also the case with some mo

Re: [Tagging] Highway classification in Antarctica

2024-04-25 Thread Juan Pablo Tolosa Sanzana
About King George Island, if I am not wrong, the normal people can not reach the island from any ferry neither commercial flights from the rest of the world. You can only reach the island using a cargo aircraft. Inside the island you can not drive a motor vehicle, in the best case only can walk

Re: [Tagging] Direct reduced iron plants

2024-04-25 Thread _ _
Hi Daniel ! The third seems to me the best solution if there isn't already a tag. This will allow you to add information rather than modify existing ones. I'd like to point out that there's also another way of tagging steel mills: man_made=works + product=steel wich is way more common (260 times

Re: [Tagging] Highway classification in Antarctica

2024-04-25 Thread Warin
The problem is 'tagging for the render', people see this large blank area and cannot see what they are looking for because the render will not show such a low importance feature. This also occurs in other areas where there is sparse populations. The people who make and maintain renders occupy